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the government that you are a citizen of has the right to know where you are as long as you are a citizen and potential criminal who may harm other citizens and their/public property, just as you have the right to know who is on your property and what they are doing.
Originally posted by America Jones
reply to post by benign.psychosis
the government that you are a citizen of has the right to know where you are as long as you are a citizen and potential criminal who may harm other citizens and their/public property, just as you have the right to know who is on your property and what they are doing.
Citizens are not government property. Most public places are owned by local municipalities, not Washington DC.
The Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution says that citizens have a right to be "secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures" in the absense of probable cause. These technologies reinforce the ideology that guilt be presumed because we are all six degress of Kevin Bacon from Saddam bin Laden.
I think the constant monitoring of citizens is also problemmatic from the perspective of the Fifth Amendment.
Children have rights. They are the largest demographic without political representation.
The point is valid that robot consumer parents and children might reasonably benefit from pervasive tracking technology. But I also think there is a resounding absence of meaningful public debate about what psychological effects might come into play when children are socialized to accept such surveillance, and how such systems might be secured against hackers and disgruntled employees.
Originally posted by Question
reply to post by benign.psychosis
Tell me, when do you let go of the imaginary leash o wise one. We've been able to grow up without this technology and without having our parents monitor every single thing we do, why can't our children? When do you let your children grow up on their own? Call it irresponsible if you'd like it just further proves how little you trust your child as well as your own abilities as a parent. The fact you want them tag like cattle so you can monitor their every move disgusts me.
The fact you want them tag like cattle so you can monitor their every move disgusts me.
Call it irresponsible if you'd like it just further proves how little you trust your child as well as your own abilities as a parent.
When do you let your children grow up on their own?
Originally posted by lifestudent
reply to post by benign.psychosis
Hi BP,
I'm beginning to think you just enjoy stirring up controversy. It's hard to believe someone could honestly take the position you have, especially someone who's talked to aliens and been to the kuiper belt.
Regardless of what you have to say, it is my decision as a parent to determine what new technology to impose on my kids and what not to. Your argument makes as much sense as states that asserted the right to take ADHD diagnosed kids away from their parents if they chose not to feed them Ritalin, which later turned out to increase the risk of suicide and has been linked to them going berserk. Oops.
[edit on 11-1-2008 by lifestudent]
Originally posted by Question
reply to post by dAlen
There's nothing wrong with embracing and learning new technology. But we as individuals have to accept it. Having our children tracked by our schools and govt. without our permission is not what I would call embracing, so much as it being forced down our throats. You simply can't do things that way (not imo) not without expecting hostilities. If the school gives me an option, that's great, but saying it'll be done regardless, that's not having the backing of the people.
Having our children tracked by our schools and govt. without our permission is not what I would call embracing
Originally posted by Spawwwn
he called the people on the hyjacked planes cowards, and by not punishing him the mods are DEFENDING WHAT HE SAID.
There's a forum comming soon..a forum with every type of subject you can immagine and a better team of mods who won't go ride your ass about stupid # every 5 minutes.
An old quote sums up my actions best..to paraphraze the great Malcom X.."i don't call it violence when it's in self defense, i call that intellegence"..