Betting shops helping the poor get poorer

Hi and happy new year, im going to talk about a boom in the betting industry here in Britain. I live in London where we have lots betting shops everywhere you turn you find a betting shop, there are 14 betting shops where I live Fulham which is a tiny part of London.

So there is a least 1400 bookmakers across London with most concentrated in the poor areas, easy to prove just walk down Chelsea and you will not see a bookies in sight but walk down Brixton and you will see every brand of bookmakers in a short walk along the market even next to mc donalds, now my problem is not towards betting on sports events its with the new computerised touch screen roulette machines called fobts, is it a coincidence these machines became widely available around the same time we started getting boat loads of refugees and more countries entering the EU.

When I visit the local bookies I always see hoards of asylum seekers around the machines they are in there all day every day, and its not just in my area its everywhere in Britain, and of course its not just the foreigners who play them, they attract everybody, im starting to see more and more youngsters in the bookies all the time becoming addicted to these roulette machines, the machines are supposed to be fair and generate random numbers, this is how it works you place a bet on red the machine draws a number from a third party host who is dishing out the numbers from a random number generator the host does not profit from who wins or losses.

But if you watch these things run you will soon realise they are not random and utterly unfair in every way possible because the minute you put your money into a machine they have full control of it, you will also realise that everyone playing these machines are totally addicted ive watched a few local business owners down there lot and lose everything to these machines. You really have to play one of these machines to know how much they dig at your brain I truly believe its a conspiaracy to keep the poor poorer whilst the rich get richer, the machines are totaly not random totaly mind screwing and yet the goverment do nothing but give them a stamp of approval, here’s a couple of links let me know what you think

conservativehome.blogs.com...

www.gamcare.org.uk...

www.cybview.com...

P.S just noticed the pyramid on cyberview pdf, and why is the pdf address cybeview

The poor keep getting poorer because they do things like sit in front gambling machines all day.

It absolutely in no coincidence that the machines seem to be growing in number as the refugees grow in number. Supply and demand.

If a bunch of idiots line up to give me their money I will gladly place more boxes out for them to put it in.

I never understood gambling or lotto tickets or any of that stuff. There is no good or service you get in exchange for your money so why bother? Just stay home and throw it in the trash while making "DING!! DING!!" noises.

reply to post by MESSYSC
We have much the same problem here in the United States.

In the cities in the south we have the betting machines as well as the lottery and scratch off tickets in every convenience store.

It really disturbs me to stand in line and watch people that look very poor spend their last bit of money on gambling. It is the poor man's dream. But I have noticed lately that more and more working people are spending great amounts on the betting machines.

It is illegal in Georgia to redeem your winnings in real money. A store coupon for merchandise is given. However, many places that know the player break the law and give the winner cash.

It is a growing shame on our poor and working class people that are already having financial problems.

Wow you cant cash coupons might check the laws in Britain, because that’s how these machines work you put in cash and if you take any out you get a coupon which then needs to be cashed at the till. Yes we have scratch cards in most local stores but they are not half as addictive as these new type roulette machines found everywhere in Britain, it has been rumoured that psychologist helped to make the programs very addictive, you will get a hit from the machine like you would from a drug, they use dirty tricks to numb you on to machine until all you cash is gone. here are some of tactics used.

Certain features of these roulette machines are strongly associated with problem gambling, a high event frequency (i.e. that are fast and allow for continual staking), that involve an element of skill or perceived skill, and that create 'near misses' (i.e. the illusion of having almost won). Size of jackpot and stakes, probability of winning (or perceived probability of winning), and the possibility of using credit to play are also associated with higher levels of problematic play. Games that meet these criteria are electronic gaming machines and casino table games.

A fool and his money are soon parted !

a reply to: stonerwilliam

One thing I saw in Germany was when neighborhoods started to go downhill, gambling-oriented "services" began to appear in shops, and in one case, an entire casino. People can spend as they wish, but those "services" are more of a blight than anything.

Cheers

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

I know guys who would spend their entire weeks wages in minutes in a betting shop and with the introduction of online gambling it has gone through the roof .

One truck driver I know would blow a 1000 bucks in minutes online gambling leaving his family skint , he won £ 15 k and blew it in hours .

It is 35 years since I last put on a bet in a bookies and in the last 5 or so years have only played the national lottery a few times ,which I am happy with as I read some horror stories of how much people lose gambling

a reply to: stonerwilliam

Yeah, years ago, I would occasionally play the slot machines. Learned that once one got a payoff, best to pocket it and walk away. And always approached the machine with the idea that I would spend a fixed amount of money. It either won something or it did not, which is what most often happened.

Cheers

originally posted by: MESSYSC
Hi and happy new year, im going to talk about a boom in the betting industry here in Britain. I live in London where we have lots betting shops everywhere you turn you find a betting shop, there are 14 betting shops where I live Fulham which is a tiny part of London.

So there is a least 1400 bookmakers across London with most concentrated in the poor areas, easy to prove just walk down Chelsea and you will not see a bookies in sight but walk down Brixton and you will see every brand of bookmakers in a short walk along the market even next to mc donalds, now my problem is not towards betting on sports events its with the new computerised touch screen roulette machines called fobts, is it a coincidence these machines became widely available around the same time we started getting boat loads of refugees and more countries entering the EU.

When I visit the local bookies I always see hoards of asylum seekers around the machines they are in there all day every day, and its not just in my area its everywhere in Britain, and of course its not just the foreigners who play them, they attract everybody, im starting to see more and more youngsters in the bookies all the time becoming addicted to these roulette machines, the machines are supposed to be fair and generate random numbers, this is how it works you place a bet on red the machine draws a number from a third party host who is dishing out the numbers from a random number generator the host does not profit from who wins or losses.

But if you watch these things run you will soon realise they are not random and utterly unfair in every way possible because the minute you put your money into a machine they have full control of it, you will also realise that everyone playing these machines are totally addicted ive watched a few local business owners down there lot and lose everything to these machines. You really have to play one of these machines to know how much they dig at your brain I truly believe its a conspiaracy to keep the poor poorer whilst the rich get richer, the machines are totaly not random totaly mind screwing and yet the goverment do nothing but give them a stamp of approval, here’s a couple of links let me know what you think

conservativehome.blogs.com...

www.gamcare.org.uk...

www.cybview.com...

P.S just noticed the pyramid on cyberview pdf, and why is the pdf address cybeview

You are right.
I don't know what a betting shop looks like in Britain but gambling makes poor people even poorer.

And the same is true for people who have more money to waste and the rich.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

I lost 8 months of my working life to gambling when I was 22 , the beginners luck I had was stupid I was gambling on the dogs and winning big but I was in party mode at the time and drinking like crazy and remembering nothing the next day about it or the women I was waking up with ikyn .

I was waking up with pockets full of money with not a clue what I did to get it all but I was not going to my work I just dropped out and was living it large , But I realised that I was not happy and just stopped and I have never put a bet on since and that was 35 years ago .

When I had 6 heart attacks in a year a American cardiologist asked me online did I gamble and I said no , Then he told me to start as 8 was one lucky sod with the odds that I piled off surviving what I came through and put me up some figures to look over which blew me away and put me in a 2 year downer , even now I think I have only bought about 3 lottery tickets since .

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: stonerwilliam

One thing I saw in Germany was when neighborhoods started to go downhill, gambling-oriented "services" began to appear in shops, and in one case, an entire casino. People can spend as they wish, but those "services" are more of a blight than anything.

Cheers

Gambling and gambling services go well with the moral and economical deterioration of a society.

originally posted by: stonerwilliam
a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

I lost 8 months of my working life to gambling when I was 22 , the beginners luck I had was stupid I was gambling on the dogs and winning big but I was in party mode at the time and drinking like crazy and remembering nothing the next day about it or the women I was waking up with ikyn .

I was waking up with pockets full of money with not a clue what I did to get it all but I was not going to my work I just dropped out and was living it large , But I realised that I was not happy and just stopped and I have never put a bet on since and that was 35 years ago .

When I had 6 heart attacks in a year a American cardiologist asked me online did I gamble and I said no , Then he told me to start as 8 was one lucky sod with the odds that I piled off surviving what I came through and put me up some figures to look over which blew me away and put me in a 2 year downer , even now I think I have only bought about 3 lottery tickets since .

Hope you are doing well after the heart attacks you had but gambling and the stress that comes with it or the lifestyle you described are just too much for a healthy heart and healthy life.

a reply to: stonerwilliam

I recall you describing that episode with the multiple heart attacks. Hope you have felt better since

Cheers

originally posted by: MESSYSC
Hi and happy new year, im going to talk about a boom in the betting industry here in Britain. I live in London where we have lots betting shops everywhere you turn you find a betting shop, there are 14 betting shops where I live Fulham which is a tiny part of London.

So there is a least 1400 bookmakers across London with most concentrated in the poor areas, easy to prove just walk down Chelsea and you will not see a bookies in sight but walk down Brixton and you will see every brand of bookmakers in a short walk along the market even next to mc donalds, now my problem is not towards betting on sports events its with the new computerised touch screen roulette machines called fobts, is it a coincidence these machines became widely available around the same time we started getting boat loads of refugees and more countries entering the EU.

When I visit the local bookies I always see hoards of asylum seekers around the machines they are in there all day every day, and its not just in my area its everywhere in Britain, and of course its not just the foreigners who play them, they attract everybody, im starting to see more and more youngsters in the bookies all the time becoming addicted to these roulette machines, the machines are supposed to be fair and generate random numbers, this is how it works you place a bet on red the machine draws a number from a third party host who is dishing out the numbers from a random number generator the host does not profit from who wins or losses.

But if you watch these things run you will soon realise they are not random and utterly unfair in every way possible because the minute you put your money into a machine they have full control of it, you will also realise that everyone playing these machines are totally addicted ive watched a few local business owners down there lot and lose everything to these machines. You really have to play one of these machines to know how much they dig at your brain I truly believe its a conspiaracy to keep the poor poorer whilst the rich get richer, the machines are totaly not random totaly mind screwing and yet the goverment do nothing but give them a stamp of approval, here’s a couple of links let me know what you think

conservativehome.blogs.com...

www.gamcare.org.uk...

www.cybview.com...

P.S just noticed the pyramid on cyberview pdf, and why is the pdf address cybeview

You say asylum seekers are there all day every day and I have to ask where do they find the money to gamble? I am sure that any money they get from the Government or relatives isn't enough to keep up with this habit.

a reply to: Arkapi


You never see a poor bookmaker or scrap dealer but they always maintain they are poor

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: stonerwilliam

I recall you describing that episode with the multiple heart attacks. Hope you have felt better since

Cheers

I am still kicking the backside out of it how I am still going is beyond me as I smoke more than a chimney and eat what I like but did cut out the booze and loose women

originally posted by: stonerwilliam
a reply to: Arkapi


You never see a poor bookmaker or scrap dealer but they always maintain they are poor

Bookmakers give you the hope of winning so they are hope sellers when at the sane time they make millions of dollars/pounds and they really want as many people to gamble even if it's only a few dollars. That's how they make millions.

Been a gambler all my life.
Mainly horse racing - a sport I love. I look at the racing every day but nowadays only have a bet when I really fancy something.

I managed a couple of betting shops in my early 20's - early to mid-80's.

Seen whole lives destroyed by it, but also seen people have some great wins that have made a significant difference.
Gambling is like anything, you have to control it and not let it control you.
Same as drinking, same as drugs, same as pretty much everything.

I loved the old school betting shops before the introduction of TV screens; Sporting Life, Extel radio, board marker writing the odds and results up, smokey and dingy.

All too clinical now - and so much against the punter.
Major bookies have far too much say and influence on odds.

The gaming machines are a massive con - I have seen people win thousands.....and one poor mate of mine lost 70 grand in less than a month.
They are connected by a sort of intranet and if one machine pays out well other machines in the shop or connected shops don't pay out to cover it.
Payout percentage is usually around 70%.....guaranteed profit of 30% for operators.

I have a friend who works as a part-time cashier in a small Ladbrokes shop - last Christmas she got a Xmas bonus of just over £2k which is based on shop profits. The majority of profits in her shop come from gaming machines.

As for immigrants hanging around betting shops; they don't have to work so they congregate around these sort of places.
Get them fixing potholes in the roads or something similar and they wouldn't have as much free time on their hands.
Or maybe we could get Ladbrokes to open a string of shops in Rwanda?

Anyway, I have had a small each way punt on Zoran in 8.00 at Kempton tonight.
Unusual for Emma Lavelle to have a runner on the flat, decent pot for AW Flat this time of year and Hayler Turner up.

a reply to: Freeborn


I knew a guy years ago who gambled away 3 butchers shops he owned on what he was putting in the slot machines , I was lucky enough to know someone decades ago who installed those slot machines and he told me how rigged they were including how the place could set the pay out 70 % was the max but most were turned down well below that .

My local brittish legion had 2 machines that were taking in half a million per year profit for the bar !! .

I was jammy with the times I won and quit when I was up luckily