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Insider Transcripts: Extraordinary Secret Recordings

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posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 10:17 AM
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But what if the publications to that hellenic society from HRG really exist? WOuldnt you want a chance to look at the original transcripts from the recordings? Thats what im saying man...if they exist.




posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 10:30 AM
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What form of "existence" would persuade you?

If they are the same or similar texts that skeptical2012 has posted here, it honestly wouldn't mean much to me. My problem is with their content, not the provenance--although admittedly, a completely anonymous posting of words (no images!) on a website is about as un-provable as it gets..

If you showed me a person (not an anonymous avatar) who is willing to take responsibility for them, I'd be a trifle more interested. But that still wouldn't lessen the glaring nature of the non-Jewish, non-masonic, non-sensical nature of the text.

Now, if you showed me the text in the original language, so I could translate it myself, I'd definitely be open to discussion.

But we won't be getting that, because it already is in the original language: English.


If you want to believe, then ignore me. Disregard that there really is a thing called Qabalah, that there are real people called rabbis with a literary tradition stretching back thousands of years. Disregard that the legitimate documents of Jewish esoterica are far more mystical and timeless than the gobbledygook offered here. But know that you are CHOOSING this, over reality.

Frankly, the label on a doctor Bronner's soap bar is more profound.

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posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 10:48 AM
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Im sure a lot of things got lst in translation so the original transcrip would be great to look at. Why dont you ask him maybe we will point us in the right direction? Did you bother looking up HRG and seeing if you can find this publication that contains the original documentation?
AT least we can look if that exists because if it doesnt....its a done deal, great. YEt if that publication does exist then there is new evidence to review and has some basis in reality since it was held by a legitimate society.



posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by GUICE2
Im sure a lot of things got lst in translation so the original transcrip would be great to look at.


If the translation is bad, then the document is useless, and there's nothing I can do about it.




Why dont you ask him maybe we will point us in the right direction?


I've asked 3 times now. No dice so far. Why bother, when the material is such convoluted gobbledygook?




Did you bother looking up HRG and seeing if you can find this publication that contains the original documentation?
AT least we can look if that exists because if it doesnt....its a done deal, great. YEt if that publication does exist then there is new evidence to review and has some basis in reality since it was held by a legitimate society.


I found nothing. Would you like to point me in the right direction, skeptical2012?

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posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 02:28 PM
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Maybe this is the new chapter of Dianetics.
Xenu would be proud.



posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 04:25 PM
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I will continue to post in the present thread only because of GUICE2.


But we won't be getting that, because it already is in the original language: English.

You are dead wrong on that. And I'will prove it to you right now.
The transcript that I have is in the hellenic language because as it seems it was originally transcripted from the hebrew language recording and then published for specific Hellenic Recipients (aka Masons). If you had carefully read all my posts you could understood this from the very begining but it seems that those texts caused you some disorder. I am sorry for that It wasn't intentional and there is no agenda except of a sincere disire to discuss this with open and free minded people who are not many nowadays.
HRG (Hellenic Restoration Group) is a reality and has published texts for various recipients for a period of over 30 years. It is said that they have been able to infiltrate deep into the masonic/zion/NWO network. They know the 72. The separation of the sephiroth and the passage of the abyss.. They know cabala, pythagorians, isododecaedron science.. the akashic record .. They know the HONG. They know stuff...that I don't have the time and deep knowledge to discuss here .. because it is a huge case which is extremely difficult to comprehend by ordinary people. Those transcripts I gave you here is merely a tiny percent of this secret society knowledge and research.
I am aware also of the name of their representative who is ofcourse low in their hierarchy and has little to do with them except to act as merely a singalman of their unique communication protocol which is still unbrakeable by the intelligence services of the world.
And here is a typewriter-machine old text of them dated back in the 80's .



So.. you now know that I am not making this stuff up.






[edit on 11-1-2008 by skeptical2012]



posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by skeptical2012

So.. you now know that I am not making this stuff up.

[edit on 11-1-2008 by skeptical2012]



I agree, you probably didn't make this up. I don't think you made up the Protocols of Zion, either----but that doesn't make them any more authentic.

The fact that you have an image of a Greek document blaming Jews for the Challenger space shuttle crash doesn't make it any more valid.

Neo-naziism has always had a solid following in Greece; I bet you could find more than this if you dug hard. This document which you say is from the Hellenic Restoration Group (and I have no reason to doubt you there) is fairly typical of the stuff you can get via mail order (in English) from a lot of different organizations. Other than its fairly exotic font, I don't see what's so interesting about the content, if you know anything about Judaism, Masonry, Qabalah, or "pythagoreans."

The existence of an image you posted on image shack, with no date or background information beyond your own remarks, doesn't "revolutionize everything I know."

If I post my certificate proving that I'm a subgenius Pope, will you start sending me money? Why not? well, that's the same reason I'm not lending you any credence on this document and attending story, either.


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posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 05:44 PM
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The fact that you have an image of a Greek document blaming Jews for the Challenger space shuttle crash doesn't make it any more valid.

Wrong again.
It doesn't say that. It does not refer to jews at all.


Neo-naziism has always had a solid following in Greece;

Hellas has nothing to do with Nazism(Germany) or Fascism(Italy).
Hellas fought and won the Fascists and made the life dificult for the Nazis. Please review history again.


[edit on 11-1-2008 by skeptical2012]



posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 06:06 PM
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Your arguments have so far been sound and I have no doubt have been based on many years of personal research into this area, perhaps you yourself have come across information that just doesn't seem to quite fit into your known perception of what is, and what isn't. I suspect that while you are highly skeptical of what has so far been "disclosed" ( as mentioned in an earlier posting, I have not found any of what has so far been posted anywhere on the net) I suspect you have not entirely dismissed this thread as in-factual?.

While I agree we must always be on guard to "deny ignorance", we should always be prepared to consider an alternative to our perceptions of what is considered as "truth" and what is "in-factual". Rarely is truth ever handed to us on a silver plate that complies exactly to how we perceive it to be. isn't there anything posted so far by the OP, that you think could be considered 'useful'?

Please continue skeptical2012

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posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by masonica_esoterica

Originally posted by DogHead
May I suggest that the OP is merely trying to perpetrate a gobsmackingly clumsy updated version of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

Jesus Prison Showering Christ, how insane does a post have to be here before some kind of functional limit is reached? It's like an affective disorder convention! A smorgasbord of neuroses.


For someone who wants to knock every religion that is not Christianity, you sure know how to blaspheme.


Shouldn't you be warned for hijacking a thread or something? And... I didn't write the anti-semitic crap, the OP did, so try to stay focused on what the thread is about.

There's lots of other threads about "let's pretend" subjects like freemasonry and magic(k) [does the K make it cooler or something? or just inaccurately spelled?].

Or... is it that you SUPPORT the OP's nonsense?

Once again, a post of yours is... interesting. As is the tolerance extended to you. Interesting.

PS

Oh, totally OT- isn't masonic esoterica rather a tautology? I thought all the masonic nonsense was "esoteric". But the masonry excels at misusing language. Bit like the Nazis and the Soviets really. Hm.



posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by GUICE2
arent there similarities to some of the other theories that we have heard on this site?
LIke all the stuff about the underground? And the atlantean races battling the andromedians?


Proving only that the OP can read and assimilate previous information from other fantasy threads etc. to crudely synthesize something else.

And in any event "broadly similar to" or "referencing" is not equal to "common origin" or "supported by slightest shred of evidence".

The OP's rubbish suffers a terminal allergy to facts.



posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by DogHead

Or... is it that you SUPPORT the OP's nonsense?



It is clear that you don't support the OP's statements, each to their own beliefs, but your arguments against the OP are unfounded unless you show us something more than just empty rants without anything to support them with.



posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by skeptical2012

The fact that you have an image of a Greek document blaming Jews for the Challenger space shuttle crash doesn't make it any more valid.

Wrong again.
It doesn't say that. It does not refer to jews at all.


Neo-naziism has always had a solid following in Greece;

Hellas has nothing to do with Nazism(Germany) or Fascism(Italy).
Hellas fought and won the Fascists and made the life dificult for the Nazis. Please review history again.


[edit on 11-1-2008 by skeptical2012]


Let's review history together. I will find it refreshing, you may find it toxic.

Firstly, the presence of the word "rabbi" indicates beyond any doubt that this is a thread referencing Jewish people, their community and their Jewish faith. To conflate this as you have with the disgraceful and crapulous nonsense that tries to communicate in broken English is at best poor form and at worst something far more sinister- anti-semitism trying to sex itself up with some UFOlogy / New Age trappings. Appropriate, given the origin of New Age beliefs, some would suggest.

But now, some history:


The term Neo-Nazism is used to refer to any social or political movement seeking to revive National Socialism or a form of Fascism, and which postdates the Second World War. Often, especially internationally, those who are part of such movements do not use the term to describe themselves. They eschew such terms as "Neo-Nazism" and "Neo-Fascism" for a variety of reasons: tactical avoidance of the stigma associated with these terms; actual ideological distinctiveness from Nazism and Fascism; or a rejection of the "neo" prefix, based on a wish to project unequivocal commitment to Fascism or National Socialism. The prefix is not universally used to describe Neo-Nazi groups, but some groups specifically endorse it.


from:
Martin Frost


The most important Neo-nazi political party (or rather, movement, despite having taken contest in Greek national and regional elections) was Hrisi Avgi, which stopped its activities in late 2005. During the 90's, Hrisi Avgi was considered a model National Socialist movement among Neo-nazis and White supremacists worldwide, and was regarded as one of the most influential and best organized Neo-nazi organizations in Europe. It held 10 offices across Greece and published a monthly youth magazine which was pretty popular among Greek teens. Members of Hrisi Avgi (including it's former leader Nikolaos Michaloliakos) continue their activity through Patriotiki Symmachia, a nationalist party formed two months before the 2004 European Parliament elections where it gathered 10,000 votes.


from:
Martin Frost: Neonazism in Greece


Anti-nazi laws existed in Greece for decades, but the legislation has failed to stop Neo-nazi activities in Greece. The last (and pretty notorious) activity of Greek Neo-nazis was a festival called HateWave Festival which was announced by Hrisi Avgi and counted on the participation of the German NPD, the Italian Forza Nuova as well as on Romanian and Spanish correligionists. Neo-nazis in Greece have been tied to hate-driven attacks on immigrants, homosexuals and leftists. One of the most deadly attacks were the murder of 3 immigrants in central Athens by Pandelis Kazakos an alleged member of Hrisi Avgi. Greek Neo-nazis even participated as volunteers in the Yugoslav wars in Bosnia, aiding the Serbian Army to take the town of Srebrenica and committing the worst war atrocity in Europe since the Second World War. They are also active participants in nationalist demonstrations and in sport events, especially football and basketball. In September 2004, during a football match between Albania and Greece, Albanian hooligans set fire on the Greek flag and Greeks got furious. Members of Hrisi Avgi and The Blue Army (a nationalist organization that represents football fans) launched a series of riots targeting Albanian immigrants in Greece, which ended up with 1 dead and 7 wounded. Many blame the media for creating a hysterical atmosphere around the burning of the flag.


See also:
Neo-Nazism in Greece

And one of the ones I enjoy the most:

Luckily, the Greek youth seems to be the portion of society which welcomes most this phenomenon. Racist, fascist parties such as Chrysi Avgi (Greek for "Golden Dawn") are quite popular among the youth of Hellas (90% of the members of this party are between 15-20 years old), and its weekly magazine for young people "Antepithesi" (Greek for "Counter Attack") is widely known (and supported) by the greek youth.


Neonzaism and Paganism in Greece



posted on Jan, 12 2008 @ 12:49 AM
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Originally posted by Freelancer
Rarely is truth ever handed to us on a silver plate that complies exactly to how we perceive it to be. isn't there anything posted so far by the OP, that you think could be considered 'useful'?



I think that when the Original poster says, "I have a transcript of a Rabbi saying this," then the poster is making a specific claim. A rabbi has a pretty specific meaning: a person who has studied Jewish holy literature within a scholarly community, and been trained to a certain standard, and been invited to serve in a specific office as the leader of a synagogue.

Several posters (you, Guice2, the OP) have suggested I am somehow in the wrong, for knowing what that word means. I stand by what I've already posted; if the OP doesn't mean a "real rabbi" in the sense most people understand the word, then he should use a different word, or make up a new word. Otherwise, he's being dishonest.

Basically, you and others are asking me to forget what I know about the world, to ignore the places where this thread divorces itself from reality.

Here's another example. The further postings of Skeptical2012 have used the term "arch rabbi." I asked him to elaborate, but he refused.

From a Jewish standpoint, that's a nonsensical term. "Arch" is a greek word, meaning "ruler of ____." Catholic and Orthodox Christians have archbishops as an appointed office, as a bishop who oversees other bishops. There is no corresponding concept in Judaism; a Rabbi is only as respected as his reputation. Other than being a member of a "jewish congress" or "college of rabbis" within a confraternity of affiliated synagogues, there are simply no ranks within the rabbinate; no "arch rabbi." It would be like someone telling you that Hilary clinton is an "arch senator." The phrase is non-sensical, and indicates falsity.

Now, I'm sure you're about to tell me to suspend my judgment; that maybe there's a supersecret cabal of arch-rabbis who don't allow the masses to know that they even exist.

But again, you are asking me to be as un-knowing as the original poster, and you yourselves are. If you want to believe---if you want to hear about andromedians and arch-rabbis, then that's your business.

Just know that there are people in the world, people who could tell you why the text is crap, but you weren't interested; you wanted to hear things that sounded cool. Little realizing, of course, that the truth is far more fascinating than the sophomoric pastiche of someone who wants you to suspend your judgment for the sake of you paying attention to their claims.

Look back on your own posts to me. Notice that you're basically telling me to either be silent, or feign ignorance, because you WANT to believe this drivel, rather than in the possibility that I know what I'm talking about. More importantly, your more interested in his story than you are in what Bnai Brith and Judaism really are. Remember that.

Enjoy it, but remember that there are people who know about real rabbis and real rabbinical practices, who told you this story was full of crap.

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posted on Jan, 12 2008 @ 01:21 AM
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Originally posted by skeptical2012



So.. you now know that I am not making this stuff up.

[edit on 11-1-2008 by skeptical2012]


What does this page have to do with the paragraphs of your "translations" from the top of this thread? This page doesn't say anything anywhere about Bnai Brith of New York, or the Oak lodge, or rabbinic initiations does it? I don't see any reference to yahweh andromedians, either.

where does the following paragraph appear on the image above?:


10. That the main biblical religions that refer to Jerusalem, are the same regardless of their contradictions and that our Atlantian brothers wrote the “Protocols of the elder of Zion” in order for the Andromedians Goyim to believe in the alleged conflict between Judaism and Christianity. The Andromedian head Hellas will be the Political Antichrist of the upcoming septennium


Say. . . . just what does this image have to do with your decoded text, anyway. This isn't the stuff you translated for us!

please explain.

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[edit on 12-1-2008 by dr_strangecraft]



posted on Jan, 12 2008 @ 01:43 AM
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That document is interesting. I am calling Priory of Sion (PoS) on this BTW right now... again...

Interesting document bit #1:
The swastika-esque stuff at the top.

Interesting document bit #2:
It is clearly an internet version of the PoS. Documents make it real, don't you see? DOCUMENTS MAKE IT REAL!
If there's a document, then of course it's all true! Because who would invent a document to go along with their spiel? Makes no sense unless it's all true! Even the stuff that couldn't possibly be!



posted on Jan, 12 2008 @ 01:57 AM
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The document he posted lists three incedents, the 1986 USA challenger "catastrophe," the USSR "Proton" spaceship abort, and the soviet "Kosmos 1813" failure, also described as a catastrophe, lit. "break-down/destruction" in modern Greek. They are the three paragraphs with a, b, and g followed by elipsis. If you know the greek alphabet, you can sound out a lot of the nouns in modern greek.

Again, I didn't see any mention at all of Andromedian Goyyim or B'nai Brith.

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Looks to me like the swastikas and "ellas" logo was added to the document after the fact. Wonder if that's the case . . . and why.

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posted on Jan, 12 2008 @ 04:49 AM
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Playing devils advocate:

From a quick google search

books.google.com...



muse.jhu.edu/journals/kennedy_institute_of_ethics_journal/v013/13.4novak.html

books.google.com...

Now we know that the term 'arch rabbi' isnt totally out of bounds. Two of the sources above are from 19th century works and one dates an arch rabbi to the 13th century

So this word or translation isnt new to the OP.


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edit to remove mis placed link

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posted on Jan, 12 2008 @ 05:16 AM
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However... Arch Rabbi is a term that, given your sources- may imply Eastern Orthodox ie Greek thinking being applied to a subject of which the writer is ignorant- ie rabbi titles.

And that error would be a small but still smoking gun. A Greek mistake indicating a Greek origin for the alleged documents and the actual agitprop. Clumsy Priory of Sion.



posted on Jan, 12 2008 @ 05:19 AM
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Perhaps I should remove that one link. However, what of the two links that are from books dealing with jewish history?



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