posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 05:38 PM
First off... whoever said that they had to weed out the mental illness and the liars from claims of UFOs.... you seem to indirectly be implying that
most people who honestly report seeing flying craft of unexplained origin (I don't mean lights, but actual unmistakeable CRAFT) are either stupid or
crazy. That's such an insult, man. I come on these boards, and every time I come here, I find skeptics disrespecting testimony by clear minded people
who have seen something clearly unexplainable, and it really just disheartens me, because I would've liked to believed that humans had a little more
faith in each other than that. I mean, we all act (as a whole human populace) as if everyone we meet is guilty until proven innocent.... and that's
the problem with science. Things that don't fit in with science's current understandings are guilty until proven innocent. Therefore, people who
claim such things are labeled accordingly. This is not how truth and justice is supposed to work.
If you wanna find truth, you have to be willing to take into consideration ALL testimony, even from menally ill or liars... and until the claims can
be proven to be caused by mental illness or lies, they should not be reasily dismissed.
I'm not really talking about Bob Lazar's diagram. I'm talking about BuddahSystem and Deezee's (and quite a few other people's) complete lack of
respect for honest and seemingly sane minded people's accounts of real aerial craft that seem to be performing maneuvers and feats that completely
defy our current laws of physics. You have the mindset that it is slim to no chance that these devices exist, and that is so engrained into you, that
your natural response is to try and debunk everything that doesn't fit into your trained version of reality, and don't you, as a very obviously
highly intelligent person, see the flaw in your own thinking? You know so much more than me about physics and mathematics, yet your opinion doesn't
sway me and I know your assumptions are flawed because I've SEEN things with my very own eyes that are just so completely out of the normal
experience that we have on this planet, that I can no longer trust science as it is because there's just so many things that science as a whole is
being guided into unconsciously avoiding....
If this were a discussion of law and judicial matters, you wouldn't dismiss witness testimony so easily, would you? I don't see why science can be
so much more discriminating. Why is science holier than the people who experience things? Most people who experience strange things have no agenda,
and obviously are risking their reputation by claiming these things... but all science seems to be doing is defending their agendas and their
reputations, and to get people to agree. If nobody agrees, science is useless. Like it or not, most people seem to disagree with science's current
view that UFOs and aliens are highly unlikely to be visiting Earth. Whether or not people readily admit and discuss it is another matter altogether...
because, again, here comes that pesky reputation to uphold.
Therefore, this does, in part, have to do with Bob Lazar's diagram. How can you pretend to know for sure that it is wrong? The only thing that
assures you of anything is what you've been trained to be assured in. It gives you self confidence, and that's great... but it seems to me you are
I really hope I'm not offending anyone, because it's really not BuddahSystems or any other overly-educated person's fault that they can not see
fault in their way of thinking. A year or two ago... I would've completely agreed with you, BuddahSystems. I would've said "You are a genius, and
we need more people like you cutting away this BS fantasy that's ensnaring the young people into years of fruitless pursuits of sci fi
But, as of today, I am just not sure I can trust highly educated minds telling me what reality is anymore, because it's so much different when
something completely clashing with everything you know about reality happens to you.
Bob Lazar may be lying, he may be describing something so bizarre that it is far too complicated to be done justice by a diagram, he may be mixing
truth with disinfo, he may be just a complete loon...
but you cannot say he's guilty of anything before really understanding what EXACTLY he has laid out in front of you. I'd suggest maybe talking to
John Lear, and possibly finding a way to get a hold of Lazar, so he can better explain to you what he has laid out in his diagrams himself.
Don't label it as a hoax just because you can't figure out how it could possibly work using your knowledge.
I think, in all likelihood, the diagram could be intentionally skewed, seeing as how laying out the designs for an anti-gravity device that works
online for public consumption might pose a small degree of a security risk.
But I do know these devices exist. I've seen "physics defying" craft in action before, and there's no conventional explanation for it.