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posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 04:43 AM
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Originally posted by evo80
As far as seeing something, I think that it can be like watching water boil. It will never happen if you are looking too hard, but step away and forget about it for a while and then it will happen. My experiences, alien or some other paranormal event, have all been like this. They just happened. And I have also been fascinated with aliens/UFOs for many years.
That's exactly how it happened with me with my 2003 sighting. I'd become obsessed with catching a UFO on film for months but this one day I was very busy with other stuff. And then one appearred across the road from me. In another incident I made plans to visit Bonnybridge to see a UFO. Got there, sat around for ages, got bored and decided to come home, then had the fright of my life. Could be like Edgar Cayce said. If you want something so much have faith it'll happen, then let it go and it'll come to you.I do think everyone's opinion counts on this thread so far though. I know a woman who knew zero about UFOs & aliens who had a sighting one night which caused her to get almost violent in insisting the driver of their car to go towards the phenomena and let her go to "them". It turned into a full blown experience, with further experiences for months to come, and she'll probably never get over it.




posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 04:51 AM
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Thank you woodwytch for your valuable input. It struck a chord.

The subject of a life changing, or perhaps we can say life-experience event, happening to some witnesses causing them to be "able to see UFOs is interesting, though I still don't get this "frequency/vibration" thing. Maybe you can explain it to me?

However, I believe, if this is the case, then through two horrible and entirely seperate events last year, my "frequency/vibrations" would certainly have changed.

My wife and I lost a child at each end of 2007 through miscarriage. Both events tested us to the limits, and still are.

Those, if anything, surely must have contributed towards the shifting of what was an ingrained mind-set regarding our relationship, and being parents.
We are still struggling to come to terms with the losses, and the vast amount of re-evaluation one does about life, responsibility and love.
It may sound crass to hope for something so intrinsically personal as for me having "changed" because of the ongoing greiving process, but it is my credo that something good always has to come out of something bad.



Now, from what you said in your OP, I think you might be a prime candidate for some form of UFO/ET contact (you just need to be patient my friend)


I hope this is the case!



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 04:56 AM
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Greeneyedleo, I'm sincerely pleased that I am in such illustrious company!
I fully imagine that there are thousands of folk such as us out there, and that each and every one are as frustrated and impatient!

I just hope that I'm further up the queue than most!



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 05:07 AM
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I was contacted because I wanted to contact. I practiced for over a month and listened to intuition and common sense.

I believe that what I contacted was a craft. It lit up brightly in the sky and then dimmed out. I can't say that I've seen any change in my intellectual capabilities... it simply made me more interested and curious about life, thus rendering an explosion of studiousness, confidence, and many great discoveries for myself and hopefully others.

I don't believe in God, spirits, or "souls", and I hardly believe in the future survival of Humanity as it is. Our technology is surpassing our respnsibility to handle it.

Good topic


[edit on 9-1-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 05:08 AM
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How i wish my english was better than my actual one...

Anyway, i'll try to add my useless contribute to this excellent thread. I came across ALIENS & UFOs matter after knowing personally a single case, a specific case, which was, basically, unexplainable. As much i investigated on it, as much i've found that the case was reliable. That unexplained case gave me the opportunity to look at this phenomenon by another view. Now i can say that i'm open minded, to say the least. For this reason, for example, despite i dislike some threads about "experiences" which are basically accounts not supported by evidences, i fully respect them. What i think about this is that THEY CHOOSE US, not on the contrary: it doesn't matter how efforts we put in looking at the sky. Yes, statistically, to look at the sky 18 hours a day would increase our chances to find something of unusual
But basically, it seems that we have zero chances in order to decide how and when to contact them.


[edit on 9/1/2008 by internos]



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 05:27 AM
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Kruel, thank you for you reply, and I hope you don't mind me throwing my thoughts into the ring regarding your observations to woodwytch.

The idea of the shaman/sensitive/contactee, call it what you will is, I believe, a solid line of investigation. Maybe part, whether that be large or contributary, of the whole contact scenario is this, for want of a better description, a change of mind.

We can all alter our viewpoints, with enough intellect, on any given subject. Maybe this, in the framework of a UFO witness, is the acceptance, concious or not, of a paradigm shift in one's life. If the shaman sees the spirits of the earth etc. then it could be because he fully expects them to be there. If the door is opened, visitors will enter...

This scenario would have to, by its nature, include this "vibrational/frequency" theory. This is still something that my logical mind struggles to accept and, I have to admit, understand. Hopefully this is something that will come with the passage of time.

The use of substances to heighten the senses and abilities to see other worldy beings etc is widely acknowledged. I have had two experiences, not including any illegal substances I hasten to add (it was beer!), that might be included here, though I am in no way proclaiming myself as a shaman!

On both occasions, I awoke in the early hours, after a particularly vigorous session with friends in my local, to see, very clearly and plainly, ovals of light jutting out of the ceiling. I was awake, aware and lucid. The ovals were neon and brightly coloured, roughly about 8-10 inches across and somehow part of, yet projected onto the ceiling. On the first occasion, in the centre of the oval, were a bunch of light rods again in multiple colours. The second time, a pattern was circling slowly. They both vanished in the blink of an eye.

I am absolutely aware that these could well have been created in my head via the effect of the previous night's intake of alcohol.

I am not advocating the use of alcohol, or any other substance, here as a means to seeing UFOs.

As a means to an end, maybe they work, but I will not be trying that particular method to solve my problem.



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 05:35 AM
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Thanks aleon1018 for this post.



In regards to those scoop marks; just remember what I said about false or implanted memories.


Interesting theory, though, and with respect, I am not entirely conviced.
I can remember how i got the scar with almost perfect clarity; playing cricket, as a young teenager, and running full pelt into a chain-link fence. One of the diamond shaped, cast iron decorations dug into my leg, and it bled a lot.
And yes, the scar is shiny.



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 06:04 AM
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JohnnyAnonymous, thank you for your post, much appreciated.

Logic would dictate that by simply staring at the sky for prolonged periods, it will facilitate sightings. This makes perfect sense. However, there does seem to be an underlying theme that I'm sure you are aware of, of the attitude and ability of the viewer to percieve said events.

It might not just be down to the amount of time spent staring upwards, it's almost a case of how you stare.

I am not completely in favour of the more abstract methodology promoted by some experiencers for seeing UFOs (though, if they could be explained in a clear and concise way how they work, without the flowery language, I would be prepared to consider them more seriously).

Playing devil's advocate, I fully believe that seeing a UFO, or even an alien, triggers some kind of hard-wired response in the human mind, transforming the event, for some, into something far more mystical and, sometimes, comfortable. It is down to the individual, as Kruel explained eloquently here:



When we encounter these beings, our mind might also replace certain experiences with something that we recognize. We are limited by the laws of association, so what happens when we experience something completely outside of our common perceptions? Perhaps we can't see these entities so our mind associates a modern archetype to it... such as aliens


Though Kruel introduces the concept of extraneous, assumably intelligent entities using our minds as a blank canvas with regards to their appearance (if, in this scenario, they have any at all that is), this might not go towards explaining the nuts and bolts UFOs seen by people who have no agenda, or even interest in the subject.
Neither does it explain sightings by the very young, as evo80 pointed out here:



Also, I have a little girl who was 3 last year and was showing signs of having experiences with ETs at night. She had no reason to even know what an alien was, or abduction or anything like it. She had never seen a picture or a movie or anything related to aliens or UFOs and still seemed to be having some kind of interactions with them.


Perhaps being open-minded, innocent maybe, helps in the process of witnessing.



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 06:57 AM
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Wow, ok, that's a lot of info there!



As is clearly explained and filmed in UFO: The Greatest Story Ever Denied, Zetan spacecraft - both the probes and the manned ships - are usually unseen to the naked eye. In the industry, this is referred to as optically invisibility.


and



you simply have to invest in some infrared night vision equipment, preferably attached to a video camera.


Is it that simple?
Is my lack of sightings simply down to a lack of hardware?
I suppose this may well be a quick fix for my problem, and is certainly an avenue I will pursue, but it still leaves my original question unanswered in relation to daylight sightings; why can some folks simply look up, with a naked eye. and BAM! there's a light/disc etc?

The possibility of certain visitors having technology that we would class as science fiction should never be discounted. There may well be certain human individuals/organisations who also have such tech. I have watched videos of UFOs filmed through IR, the NASA tapes spring to mind instantly, and was left in no doubt that there are craft (biological entities?) cruising our stratosphere at will.

All you have to do, apparently, and as long as there are craft overhead, is point a specialised camera upwards.
Is that too easy?
And what would you be looking at?
I suspect a lot of UFOs captured on infrared are of our manufacture.

We are an incredibly ingeneous species, after all.

Just my opinion.

As to your mention of "Zetans" and "Reticulans"; this is very specific. Perhaps I missed out on reading the information on how we know some aliens are called such, or is it after their home star systems? Can you enlighten me on this?

I am also curious as to whether you have had any sightings.



Be sure to upload the film record of your "hits" in ATS. Many here will love to see that.


Believe me, when it happens, all information will be posted on these boards.



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 07:36 AM
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Hello Beamish,
In my life I've seen 4 UFO's, I debunked 3, so one remains unexplained. My experience tells me that it depends in the way your brain handels the information your eyes provide. Let me give you an example, of the 4 experiences I had, on two ocasions I was with my wife. I'm open minded on the subject of UFO's and she is a skeptic. In the first ocasion we were driving in our city and we saw something that just crossed the sky at low alttitude and in a fraction of a second. What I perceived: cigar shaped with two pair of wings of the same size and colours red, blue and white. What she perceived: lightening. Explanation after give some thougth to the case and do some research: two jet planes flying too close and at a very low alttitude (an air show was due in the next weekend). On the second ocasion, we saw an orange ligth which she also found, at the time, very strange because of its characteristics. One month later she have only a faint recollection of that episode. Explanation for this one: none.
Bottom line: I believe our brains have different ways to deal with the unknown and the unexplained.
Regards



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 07:44 AM
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reply to post by ZeroGhost
 


I read, and then re-read your post, and have to thank you for it sincerely. There have been so many erudite and illuminating replies to this, my first thread, that I am left humbled and honoured to be amongst so many fine and helpful souls.

That aside, lets get down to business...

In respect of my reluctance to get involved with the "higher frequency/altered vibration" theories, you said:



It all comes down to states of consciousness. I know you already put up some limitations for us all to dodge around


I didn't intentionally post that as a limitation, though I admit it did come across as such. My apologies to those who may have read it and been put of replying. My mistake is also my loss.

The reason I mentioned those particular subjects is that I feel uncomfortable with them. I'm a nuts and bolts kinda guy, though do have a strong spiritual side and a very personal belief system.

When "vibrations" are mentioned, it is invariably by those who are either unwilling, or incapable of expanding on it. It does, and I can't say this without sounding rude so please forgive me, seem to be the domain of what is to me an unfounded and unprovable side of the new age movement.

As I've already mentioned in this thread, I am willing to change my mind over this if someone can explain it to me in a simple manner.

This begins to help, but also, agonisingly, confuses at the same time:



...there is much discussed in how our perception is to a large part determined on how we think and believe.


I take this to mean how the individual percieves the world around them? If I simply think that we are born, live a life then die, and that's it, then I could accept my lack of UFO sightings is down to a blinkered existence.
But I don't think like that.

My father died several years ago, but I know he hasn't simply finished.

My mother saw her father standing at the foot of her bed, even though he lived many miles away, the night before he died. I believe her, as she has no reason to lie.

I accept fully that humans are not the only sentient life forms in this vast universe.

I have a belief in a creator/designer.

These statements only confirm I am open minded and eager to know. If these higher or alternate "frequencies" we must attune our selves to, so another aspect of our existence is opened to us, is truly available:



Imagine our being is like a radio crystal transceiver. Locked on a small set of frequencies you will maybe find is not much different than the experiences of others also on those stations..Try moving the dial outside of your norm.


then I will do it. But how do I do it?

This has obviously happened to you. Was it a conscious thing, was it precipitated by prolonged contact with like minded people in the UFO community, did it happen in an epiphany?
Have I really started this process, simply by discussing it here on ATS, as you mention here?



You are taking steps now to widen your bandwidth, assuming your note is not anything but what you are truly feeling.


And by the way, I can assure you everything I have written in these posts is straight from the heart. This subject may be the stuff of ridicule for many, but to me it is not only important, but vitaly important.



What you will find when you do finally experience something like we are all talking on ATS about is that you have been behind a wall of perception. When the door is finally open, for many, they "explain" it off. Rationalizing it away. Many deliberately forget in order to protect their sanity


This is very relevant, and may be the first tangible piece of obsevation as to the route cause of my problem. I do tend to rationalize things, see the logical in the chaotic, find the good in the bad. I suppose it's a self defence mechanism.

I am beginning to understand that to see marvellous things, one has to allow them to be marvellous in the first place.



I would bet, you are about to experience the open ended existence of reality first hand. Your fear will be the con-trail behind you, but no longer the wall in front of you.


I feel you could be right. And you've helped immensley.

Edit: spelling


[edit on 9-1-2008 by Beamish]



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 07:51 AM
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Beautiful poem, woodwytch, simply beautiful. A welcome addition of tranquility in a sea of my discord. As to the alien connection...who can tell.

If only every abduction inspired such creativity, then maybe the world wouldn't be so dismissive.



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 07:56 AM
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Maybe like remote healing we can all ask for Beamish to have a sign. Nothing horrifying, but a collective gift of our certainty made to him.


DO IT DO IT DO IT!!!


(I do get to keep the copyright to the photo's though, don't I?
)



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 08:02 AM
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In my particular experiences I think you are more likely to see a ufo when you are least expecting it.

Like when you are trying to think of or remember something....when you stop trying to remember, it just pops into your mind. I believe this is called the Eureka method.

But every time I have seen a ufo, I have not been looking for one.

Last time I saw one was when I went into my front yard at around 10:30pm for a smoke. I lit my cigarette then looked up at the stars like I always do when I am outside at night. I then noticed a bright star I had never seen before....as I kept staring at this "star" for about 20 seconds it never moved until it shot straight away from me with a tracer streak in the sky and was completely gone. Gave me chills then, and just now too.



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 08:06 AM
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Thank you for sharing, and I'm genuinely sorry your experiences came with such sad and shocking aftermaths. My wife and I had two losses last year. Grief takes its own sweet time to pass, but pass it will.

I sincerely hope your sightings weren't related, but wonder, if by some strange mechanism they were, that they somehow tie in with the reccuring theory of raised or attuned "frequencies".
Is it feasible to suggest knowing a loved one is seriously ill deflects a part of the subconscious mind away from material things, thus opening that ellusive door through which others might enter?



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 08:10 AM
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Hi again Beamish,

I'm so sorry for the losses that you and your wife have shared ... we seem to have had many similar experiences you and I, which makes me think the likelihood of you becoming an experiencer is close (you are further up the waiting list).


In 1989, I gave birth to a stillborn son ... so I can totally understand the traumatic hell you and your wife have/are going through.

But I'm not telling you that with the intention of sending the thread into a freefall of depression ... or to make other posters feel uncomfortable ... I mention it for quite the opposite reason.

Before I explain I need to provide a little background;

I was adopted as a baby (6wks old) and brought-up an only child, in a very loving family. From a very early age (probably about 3yrs old), I have had what many would call paranormal experiences ... what many would also call weird/scary was/is the 'norm' for me.

Even so, I personally feel I have led a very regular life ... I know that sound like a contradiction but that's how it is. I'm not one of these new-age types who walks around brandishing my experiences like a weapon or forcing my beliefs/opinions down peoples throats ... if I'm asked I will share ... if not I keep quiet.

At the end of the day we are who we are (IMHO) ... and I am a very grounded, level-headed person who does not accept anything (particularly my own experiences), at face value ... 9 times out of 10 there is a logical explanation for the weird and wonderful ... occasionally we have to accept that things cannot be explained in the usual way.

So, imagine how I felt when I discovered that the man I married was a violent animal, who treated me like crap throughout our entire married-life (physically and psychologically) !!! The whole concept of violence was totally alien to me (no pun intended). But when I gave birth to my dead son, the pain I felt at the very core of my being made everything my ex-husband had ever inflicted on me pale into insignificance.

After that event (as I'm sure you will know yourself), I started to look at everything through new eyes. My whole perspective of life changed ... I changed (or rather my frequency did).
In hindsight I can say that my metamorphosis started from the second Callum was born ... but grief clouded the changes for several months. Then without any warning the grief just stopped (and I mean in a split second it was gone). I can't explain the why's and wherefore's because I don't understand it myself ... other than to say that I went from feeling like a shadow ... to feeling ecstatic about ... well everything!!! From that point on I never looked back ... I became stronger and more resilient because of Callum ... he was the trigger so to speak and I love him for it.


Once this switch had been flicked (like putting the light on in a dark room), I regained a sense of 'self'. After a surge of paranormal activity between 1989 - 1994 (that took many different forms), things started to level-out a little. That's when I left my ex-husband and moved north to start a new life. And in just over a week of moving I saw my first UFO ... and a few weeks after that I had my abduction experience (details in my old threads - don't know if they're still accessible).

This is why I agree with the comments you made about something good coming out of something bad ... it was certainly the case for me. I always think that there are 2 types of people ... 'sinkers' and 'swimmers'. When the s#@t hits the fan we can either let it swamp us and go under ... or we can flail about like idiots until we eventually reach the side of the pit and pull ourselves out. If we choose the latter there is always a reward to be gained from it ... and I can say that with confidence because I am the living proof.

I also agree with the comments 'internos' made in his post especially the bit about them choosing us.


(mind-altering substances)?

Well there are many rainforest tribes etc. that use these things to help them contact their 'ancestors' or 'totems' ... I even had an 'ex' who was an artist and swore that he did his best work when he'd had a 'smoke' ... hell I even dabbled myself when I lived with him ... but personally I'd rather be as clear headed as possible when things happen, just so the edges aren't blurred ... I want to see it with crystal clarity. But hey, that's just me ... each to their own.



Beamish you asked about the 'vibration' thing.

Everything/everybody has it's own vibration (like a fingerprint), but the fact that we humans are in the biggest part made-up of water, we tend to be more sensative to other vibrations. For example; imagine a glass of water standing on a wooden table. What happens if you drop something heavy on the floor beside the table ... the water in the glass vibrates. Now imagine the same glass of water on the same table but this time you play some very loud heavy metal music nearby ... the water vibrates to the frequency of the music ... and if you swapped metal for opera ... the water would vibrate in a different way because of the differnt pitch.

This also explains why we all have our music preferences e.g;

One person loves metal ... another hates it and vice-versa. It's compatible vibrational frequency to our own that determines the music we like/dislike.

Phew! sorry about the long post ... I can go on a bit sometimes.


Woody.



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 08:31 AM
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Hi spoodily and thanks for the reply.



Why are you trying to see these things? The outcome and aftermath is very depressing rather than enlightening.


If you read back amongst my first posts on this thread, you'll see why I want to have a sighting. But to recap in the simplest terms: I have a driving need to see a UFO. I'm not obssessed by them, I have a very good life outside of my interests, yet I have an itch that just can't scratch.

Many replies to my OP have stated that I should be careful as to what I wish for, and because I respect and trust these sincere messages, I have taken their warnings on board.

I know what I'm doing.
I'm a capable person, have always been wary of danger, and do not act rashly.

Some may read this thread and think I'm acting foolishly for wanting to have an experince I have no control over.
It's their perogative to criticize, especially if they have had a bad experience.
But what must be understood here is that at some time, when a subject has been studied for such long time with no reward, there has to come an end to the safe approach.

Now, after 44 years, I want more.



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 08:41 AM
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Thank you LOVE, for your input.

I was particularly intrigued by this:



I was contacted because I wanted to contact. I practiced for over a month and listened to intuition and common sense.


Well, we both share a common need, but in your case, you found a way of fulfilling it? Can you elaborate on the method you used, this "practice", and how you employed intuition and common sense?

Does this indicate that there is a simple method that I have overlooked?

I was happy to read your experience was a good one, something that left you with positive attributes.
Maybe this points to a possibility that each experience is truly personal, and we take from them what we can.



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 08:48 AM
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Hi internos, and thanks for your valuable reply.

You raised some salient points in this quote:



What i think about this is that THEY CHOOSE US, not on the contrary: it doesn't matter how efforts we put in looking at the sky. Yes, statistically, to look at the sky 18 hours a day would increase our chances to find something of unusual But basically, it seems that we have zero chances in order to decide how and when to contact them.


Whilst I might disagree with your view that simply staring at the sky won't produce results (many UFOs have been seen that way, and IMO and until they are identified, a lot of them are more than likely military tech),
your theory that one is chosen to see is becoming a likely favourite.

The thing is, though, finding the way to be chosen.

From what I've gleaned, from all of these wonderful replies, is that seeing a UFO is something personal; almost an intimate happening. Something that has to start deep within one's being whilst at the same time allowing a sense of detatchment from the subject matter.
Would letting go of my "need" precipitate the as yet ellusive catalyst for this to begin?



[edit on 9-1-2008 by Beamish]



posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 08:55 AM
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Hello beamish, you posted comment to 1 of my threads, so turn around is fair play...read my thread titled 'my 11 year old encounter with a uRo'. o.k., on that trip i was coming out here after reuniting with my now former spouse & our 2 young children...life was crappy for me at that time & for awhile before that, & for awhile after that. i've only met a couple of others in alaska & nowhere else(i've been here 17&1/2 years) that have admitted to having any type of encounter, & only after asking. there encounters were probably more than i could bare psychologically even now without having a spontaneous bowel movement. i know that all 3 of us have not ruled out the possibility for things of a 'paranormal' nature since our encouters & as for myself i can say from before...all 3 of us probably say prayers...2 of us are males, & the 3rd is a female, but it's unlikely that i'll see her again without tracking, but that's not important to me. anyways, she was quite young when her siblings & parents were making a boat trip from one village to another on some waterway out here early one morning while it was still dark outside...she remembered seeing this blinding light, here mother covering them with a tarp & still the light penetrated the tarp making it brighter than the sun. she was probably in her late 30's by the time she confessed this to me. maybe these things are shear chance, but it'd be phenominal if there was more to it...i don't think i ever asked myself why. the other guy i asked what he thought about ufos said that him & 2 of his cousins were traveling while it was dark via snow machine way out of town when they came upon a craft about the size of a volkswagon with 2 or 3 or 4 blue colored being who's feet weren't touching the ground...all 3 of these then young men were absolutely panicked...he said he remembered thinking "oh god why me, why do i have to see this"? he remembers the location & his direction of travel & that suddenly they're speeding along at about 70 miles per hour...i don't recall if he said it was towards their original destination or not though...they've all told people about it, but none of them has filed a report though. maybe these things intentionally manifest & maybe not, if anyone on the jet saw the uRo besides me nobody said anything about it...i'm going to ask my ex-wife if she remembers me pointing the object out to her "cause i don't remember if i did or not, but i probably would have & she may not've been able to see it....now to read all the other posts after yours because that's actually an intriguing question now that it's been brought up!



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