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Make your own 9mm sub machine Gun

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posted on Jan, 8 2008 @ 07:49 AM
I came across this when surfing the web:

It has several designs for making a 9mm sub machine gun out of ordinary, readily available materials. The question I have is Theoretically if you were to make this or something similar would it actually work?

For instance it doesn't have any gas parts to allow recoil. And how well would the steel actually stand up to the stresses of firing?

P.S Just to point out I’m not planning on making one of these, but I am interested about the design.

posted on Jan, 8 2008 @ 08:03 AM
Looks to me like a simple blowback bolt.

There are some interesting designs on YouTube. One especially that was an open bolt design made of cut steel and bolts. It looked really professional but I can't seem to find the vid now. I think it was some Polish guys work.

posted on Jan, 8 2008 @ 08:04 AM
I'd be wary of paying for the schematics for anything on that may just earn yourself a visit from the police under the current UK anti-terror laws, as it surpasses anything you could read-up on in the Anarchists Cookbook

Still...looks like an interesting 'curiosity only' read though

posted on Jan, 8 2008 @ 08:14 AM
reply to post by citizen smith

It's only a couple of designs he's actually charging for and if you look around you can download them free. The plans also exist in torrents and on other sites.

Like with anything on the internet, if one guy is selling it 12 others have it for free.

posted on Jan, 8 2008 @ 08:16 AM
I too have seen the video of someone who made that weapon
it was very professional and very cool looking,

For those of us in the states though it is not as easy to get the sizes of pipe he is recommending, metric is harder to come by here.. particularly in seamless or non welded tubing which is what you need.

But the book is spot on as to how easy it is to make fully automatic weapon in a short time with a small amount of creativity..

I have seen and read this book in ebook form and it was not only informational but very well written..

Also I would check for a torrent (hint hint) it may and I stress may be out there..


[edit on 1/8/2008 by geocom]


posted on Jan, 8 2008 @ 10:22 AM
I've got tons of ebooks on building your own guns and you definitely need a real metal shop for most of the work. It's not something to just tinker around with in your garage. That's a good way to get killed.

Generally it's not technically illegal in the US as long as the builder doesn't sell or transfer the device or is not already barred from firearm possession. You could still get screwed though if you're unlicensed. And several states, California of course, classify the personal construction of a firearm as a felony.

The ATF FAQ. Scroll to manufacturing and gunsmithing.

[edit on 8-1-2008 by apc]

posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 10:30 AM
It used to be that the designs were free to download, although thats changed apparantly. I had them for a bit but decided that it was too riskky and could bring up some tricky qurestions in the UK if I was ever caught.

In terms of the recoil system would it mean that it could only be fired on full auto?

posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 10:36 AM

Originally posted by apc
Generally it's not technically illegal in the US as long as the builder doesn't sell or transfer the device or is not already barred from firearm possession.

Interesting. Does it matter that the apparatus is in fact a machine gun and hence seem to belong to a banned category?

posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 10:43 AM
Very interesting... It appears as if this design is technically feasible, although I would never actually fire this. I've also seen a boatload of improvised "guns" captured from the Viet Cong during that whole mess in Vietnam. Now those looked really dangerous.
Nope, I would say the easiest and "safest" way to achieve a fully automatic firearm would be to purchase a legal semi-auto Kalashnikov or SKS, and simply file down the disconnector sear. Just don't file too much off- you may be in for an unpleasant suprise.

posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 10:45 AM
looks like a pile of pap to me. Wouldn't it be easier to buy a replica and get it bored/converted?


posted on Jan, 9 2008 @ 11:29 AM
reply to post by buddhasystem

Depends on the state. Now that the federal ban is lifted it's up to the states. For example here in Missouri full-autos are illegal for unlicensed civilians to possess.

reply to post by paul76

Replicas are usually plastic or other cheap composites. Unplugging and firing a real bullet through one is a good way to get a face full of shards.

posted on Jan, 10 2008 @ 12:08 PM
This is one of the toughest "Lock" decisions I've had to make yet.

Technically, no one here has violated the TAC, and I do not wish to condemn any of the participants of this thread as having acted inappropriately. Rather this is one of those thick gray areas that we have to make a decision on in a case-by-case basis. There's simply too much liability risk in leaving open (and thus encouraging) threads on how to make firearms, especially automatic and sub-automatic ones. There are other sites where you can find out about such subjects in a far more detailed fashion, and whom will fully accept the risk involved that, for instance, a child may follow the instructions and take their new toy to school the next day, or that their site might become blacklisted as a potential terrorist training page.

The difference between discussion of guns, and creating a thread on how to make or convert semi-automatic firearm is, I think, the crux of the issue. If not here, then where is the line to be drawn? Fully automatic weapons? Ammo conversions? Mines? Bombs? It is a path we're just not prepared to go down, and a risk we're not willing to assume.

It's a tough decision, and not one made easily, but with several days worth of consideration. That is one of the reasons this thread has remained open as long as it has. I hope you will understand, though. My apologies, but I must in good conscience, close this thread, along with the message that similar such threads will likely be closed in the future.


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