Corrupt U.S. Officials Sold Nuclear Weapons Secrets *Update: NEW Edmonds interview of 1/30*

Corrupt U.S. Officials Sold Nuclear Weapons Secrets

www.timesonline.co.uk

A WHISTLEBLOWER has made a series of extraordinary claims about how corrupt government officials allowed Pakistan and other states to steal nuclear weapons secrets.

Sibel Edmonds, a 37-year-old former Turkish language translator for the FBI, listened into hundreds of sensitive intercepted conversations while based at the agency’s Washington field office.

(visit the link for the full news article)



[edit on 30/1/2008 by khunmoon]

This is shocking, considering the area and the intense conflicts going on throughout the region.
Pakistan has more than its share of extremists - so what happens if this information, which was apparently so readily passed around, falls into the wrong hands.
And in this particular region, how can it be known which hands are the right ones and which are the wrong ones?

www.timesonline.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

The article is fascinating and probably only the tip of the iceberg. I knew I recognized the name Sibel Edmonds, she was sacked for blowing the whistle on another translator and has given closed door testimony to congress on some of this stuff before.

I have a feeling that this could explain a lot of what's been going on in the world for the last ten years and exactly how deep the rabbit hole is.

I agree about it probably being the tip of the iceberg - who knows what dirty deals have been done in secret - and all with the aid of tax dollars of course.

I've found some more info on this - one is just the times story re-hashed with a bit of ed-op, here , and another
here
Hopefully, this will be picked up across the board and once Bush has gone, could we dare hope that the gags will be removed?

Thank God somebody at ATS has this new info up! God Bless you all truly. My girlfriend has banished me from ATS, (she's upstairs sleeping) - so I was faithfully reading the 'bombshell' from other ‘more reputable’ sources.

This is just too big to ignore IMO. I hope your post goes nuclear before the masters do.

A few things picked up from the UK piece and 'BradBlog' (www.bradblog.com...) pushing the same info.

1)Were the missing/flyover B52 nukes related to the 'Package' in Alabama somehow?
2) ISI's General Ahmad rears his ugly head again;
- Protecting A.Q. Kahn – Mr. proliferation.
- accused of sanctioning a $100,000 wire payment to Mohammed Atta, a 9/11 suspect.
-meeting with Bush Admin officials in DC the day of 911?
-probably placed a spy in the FBI's counterintel language translation service against the objection of FBI officials?
3) State Department #3 (Marc Grossman – the man supposedly fitting the traitor in the story);
-possibly released V.Plames ID to the Turk's before the whole Wilson episode?
-Helped possibly get Isreali Agents out of NYC in FBI custody the day of 911 (this was a ATS topic if I remember right?)
4)Neocon's named possibly at the Pentagon; Doug Feith, Richard Perle; for ID'ing pentagon employees to foreign intel agencies as potentials to turn???
5) Lawrence A. Franklin, Aipac, Dennis Hastert etc etc etc etc.

This is a huge story ; however I am also feeling uneasy that this info could be some sort of deep play to get things churning for part III in the Middle East prior to the US election. 'Down with Pakistan' some might now cry! Yet with so many links to the present administration I cant see how that angle could be played if this information comes forward at all in American outlets.

This may be new news, but I can remember hearing news of Bill Clinton trading nuclear and technology secrets to China back when he was president. What he traded for I don't know. Just thought you all might want to know. Very good article, though.

Trouble is, no-one seems to want to know!

It seems the government plan to block porn is more important

Edit to add: seems the news is starting to go mainstream in the US - here

[edit on 8/1/2008 by budski]

reply to post by budski


I don't think that people don't want to know. Personally, stories like this make me sick. It doesn't surprise me at all. The fact that nothing will be done about it is disgusting. It is too frustrating of a situation for me to want to follow too closely.

reply to post by Karlhungis


You are absolutely right, everybody knows deep down that nothing will be done, so why bother?

It would be an exercise in pure frustration. We are inmates to the prison, and we watch the corrupt guards do what ever they want.

And time slowly ticks on. Next scandle please.

Originally posted by seawolf197
reply to post by Karlhungis

 

It would be an exercise in pure frustration. We are inmates to the prison, and we watch the corrupt guards do what ever they want.

And time slowly ticks on. Next scandle please.

Good analogy. That sums up my feelings pretty well.

reply to post by Karlhungis


The point is, something can be done about it at the ballot box.

But I do agree that the vast majority don't really care and that makes the ballot box a moot point.

I've recently come around to the french way of thinking - if elected officials don't follow the wishes of those who elected them, do something about it.
Why do you think the french only look after their own interests? Because if they don't the electorate will kick them out.

reply to post by budski


Budski, Others

Any thoughts on how to jumpstart this thread to get it near the start page?

If the revelations in the UK article stay archived (and darkened by MSM) then nothing has been gained IMO. The facts are juicy enough for the pro/con sides of ATS to have a field day - and generate much needed discussion over a topic with possible links to mulitple threads started here over the years.

What if we each posted two sentences (in order) from the article itself to generate 'activity'? I dont know if that would get us a warning or worse but it seems to me this is too important a topic - even if it is a Murdoch conspiracy - which I doubt.

Best,
scrap


[edit on 8-1-2008 by scrapple]

The best way is to get people to flag it - people you know on here etc

But I am always a bit loathe to do this as it smacks a bit of self promotion.

Can also put the url in at the bottom of member space - where you see thread killers on mine - but I forgot how to do it.


[edit on 8/1/2008 by budski]

reply to post by Ninja1


Ninja1,

True, i believe that there have been a few serious reports of Pakistan Nuke leaking from as far back as Carter.

The story is multi partisan and generational. Bush Jr didnt start this, but surely supported it along with its fallout revealed by history and these recurring/recent revelations.

The fact is we have a FBI whistle blower in a major international paper stating that there are spys and traitors in America's Government.

Some more from the story;

Among the hours of covert tape recordings, she says she heard evidence that one well-known senior official in the US State Department was being paid by Turkish agents in Washington who were selling the information on to black market buyers, including Pakistan.

source

reply to post by budski


I flagged it already. I was just curious that when the start up page says most active threads - that this could mean possibly the simple amount of replys - even if it were say two peolpe doing all the posting - legally of course.

Flags and replies gets it up there.

I managed to put a link in my sig as well so maybe that will help.

reply to post by budski


Yep, and dont forget the tag system below, but you may be excluded as you started the OP??

And a note about the #3 (Marc Grossman) at State arraigning for travel / release of FBI suspects.

ATS had a few debates such as this one started by Black Fox pertaining to suspected Middle Eastern/Israeli/Turk(???) men in a van apprehended with positive explosive responses by dogs the day of 911 in NYC.

www.abovetopsecret.com...'

Would it now be too far of a stretch to say that the resulting release/deportations of these suspects is now even more suspicious?

There is a danger here I believe to go too quickly back down the 911 road even though there may be actual fire with this smoke. The prudent approach IMHO is to focus on the fact that Ms Edmonds is speaking up with tough accusations which at the very least should get media attention.

For example, the simple fact that there is a suggested link between the head of ISI and a FBI translator who was her colleague is enough to raise eyebrows of even the most jaded reporter and editor I would hope. It is secondary that this general was in DC the day of 911 and linked to payments of suspected hijackers; however important that could be to linking 911 to someone greater than OBL.


[edit on 8-1-2008 by scrapple]

I'm not sure I am going to believe one whistleblower but if true, whoever sold the secrets should be shot immediately for treason.