Originally posted by Odessy
but in regards to the triangle pic, i have a few questions.
what about the pillars right next to it that have been blurred out?
are you indicating that all of the blurred out structures on the moon arent there and are simply a result of the camera placing the photos
or do you think that on the new pics without the triangle formation were perhaps cut out with a better program?
just curious as to what your opinion is on the subject of the moon photos, I give a lot of consideration to all of your posts.
Basically, the images have never been blurred (at least, so we concluded after the assestments on the source images)
. They appeared
blurred after the first processing which has been made in order to compose the first mosaics and maps.
The first time that these issues have been brought to our attention, we looked at the original "stripes" from Clementine, and in no one of
thempixellation or other such issues were found. Just to make clear the point, what we see in the browsers, is the result of the manipulation of the
original images which can be found here:
The set in question is this one (cl_4038)
There's also a visual locator for the images here
Once you know exactly which is the area in question, you can visually identify the
volume id and the quadrant in question simply by moving over the areas with the mouse.
Well, is not much user friendly, but since thres the lunar map browser available online ...
Anyway, in this case ID: cl_4038 Quad Name: UI 31S153
you would have to download
This file pdsimage2.wr.usgs.gov...
and this one, pdsimage2.wr.usgs.gov...
..but keep in mind that the file size is 37 megs
You would need a software in order to be able to view correctly the images:
from here pds.nasa.gov...
you can download NasaView.
So, unless you have particular needs, it would be way better to chose the browse version, from here
and, finally, here's the .jpg image of the area:
Large Enhanced Color Browse image for UI31S153.IMG
did a great work in order to track back this stuff.
So basically, we have the original images which doesn't show the pixellation no other issues, and the pixellation, the triangle and other stuff which
appeared only after the manipulation made in order to compose the mosaics.
At this point, the only conspiracy theory possible would be that they faked even the source images... But i don't think so.
Now, looking at the details of the triangle:
notice the circled detail: it's a kind of flat rectangle @ 1:1, and it becomes a cylinder @ 1:2 -
the yellow arrows shows the "pattern" of the anomaly: this pattern is repeated to almost all the area.
And the corners of the triangle (red arrows) shifts to a different shape once are displayed at different resolution.
An actual object would at least keep unaltered its shape.
So, is very very hard for me, to think that there there's actually a triangle.
But of course, i may be wrong. I would like to know how exactly they processed the images the first time.
About all the images from the Moon, in general, is very hard to say what really happened to the images: the are many speculations about the hypotesys
that they have been photoshopped.
Well, i haven't seen a real smoking gun so far: certain images are fishy, there have been statements from people who worked for NASA about this, but
what it seems to be missing is a strong evidence which proves conclusively it (about this specific case, keep in mind that
Clementine was jointly sponsored by the Ballistic Missile Defense Organization and NASA
. But my
take is that yes, is possible that some or many of them have been altered, who knows with which purpose. This matter is really controversial, and
frankly i don't think that we will find a conclusive solution for it: in one hand, we have basically zero evidences that the images have been
retouched; in the other hand, we have (hypotetically) retouched images and in this case is clear that there would be zero evidences.
recalls me the cat who chases his tail endlessly.
Unless there's a big woldwide conspiracy, JAXA is going to provide 10 meters resolution images and Chang'e1 20 meters ones which should tell us much
more about the Moon surface, and next year we should look at the first submeter resolution images from Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter. Who knows, maybe
we will have some surprises! Of course, i cant' rule it out
[edit on 8/1/2008 by internos]