Originally posted by Hal9000
Originally posted by ZeroGhost
First off, relax. If I offended you that much, I apologize.
It's funny that you say you find truth in the details, and I am saying I think this is nothing more than a good story by looking at those same
details. I have listened and read many stories just like this that have turned out to be false.
If you are interested in this subject, then I say keep at it, and you will figure it out. I just think there are other areas to this subject that are
a better investment in time.
We, you and I, are very much alike. More than you are aware of. Yet I have had experiences that allow me to see deeper into the structure of
qualitative and scientific information. I've read about these experiences and listened to hundreds since 1973 when I read my first book on the
subject. Hundreds of such since.
You do not offend me. No one can offend me. I am the one who decides I am offended.
I know we cannot prove anything such as this, so I go on to listen and interact. I see no sense in asking for proof when there is none possible, at
least in empirical.
As an investigator, I listen to all the details, run them against my own developed database, and my own experience with extraordinary events, craft
and beings, as well as my studies, education, experience and understanding in our sciences, studies in consciousness and non-ordinary reality,
psycopharmacology, astronomy, biology, philosophy, mythology and history as well as the new and classical physics and many other science disciplines.
These are the tools a thoughtful person bring to bear when facing a complex and objective experience such as is being shared here.
Asking for proof in the way people here are doing is like using a hammer to see how a watch works.
Tools of informed and educated experience as well as first hand experiential data allows me and others to see proof on a much more fundamental level.
We can, by being more experienced see details you are still finding are obscured because of to blunt an attitude, understanding and experience.
People's dismissive attitudes and emotional reactive here are, in my opinion, clouding the water, and diminishing the gift another person is giving
us of their extrordinary experience. Real or not, matters not ,until you see long-wave data and details.
People challenging this man are making mistakes of logic, misjudgments of character and their premise is unfounded and without any real scientific
acumen. This won't work.
I and some others here are asking for understanding, which is a much higher order of proof. It is something you can see without smashing something
open with a hammer. Like x-Ray we can see within.
Just like a child in a group of grown-ups in intellectual conversation, making it hard to communicate with interruptions and time outs to explain.
Eventually, if you do not get the message, you become a pest and have to be sent away. We cannot do that. Only a Mod.
I also think you are more intelligent and should not be IGNORED and you are worth educating. But you need to listen more and pay attention rather
than force an unintelligent or uninformed agenda that just makes discussion painful. I have tried to explain why your approach will not gain you any
data. No response.
All you are lacking it seems to begin is an experience of the miraculous. The possibility does not even exist for you for such an event as this mans
can happen. You are not alone either. Millions have not seen or remembered their own experiences. So you and others have no objectivity in this.
So I am not trashing you. I am trying to educate you rather than dismiss you. I care that you become a better investigator. They are too rare here
and we need more.
This is how silly asking for proof is here;
Like asking Stephen Hawking to PROVE black holes exist, when you cannot read the equations and proof that has convinced him and others. To some they
say it is not proof because they simply do not understand it.
Asking for proof when it is deep in the information you are obscuring is ignorance. Persisting in this direction is madness. Not learning of your
mistakes is tragic.
Please relax the hammer, and pick yourself up a magnifying glass.
Let the O.P. talk. I promise we will not think less of you.