Tell me 1 proof aliens exist, Real and proved not by some blury pics.

Originally posted by NewWorldOver

Originally posted by GeeGee
Bottom line is some people won't take anything less than a saucer landing on the white house or CNN saying it's real. You either accept it or reject it, it's up to you.

Precisely. Skeptics have already made up their mind, all evidence be damned. It's not good enough for them, so... what do they expect?

I really don't know. Landings on the lawn as you said. Not gonna happen.

As I've told you before, I am not a skeptic. If you read up a few posts, you'll notice I'm very confident aliens exist-somewhere. I even posted Drake Equation info and a cool website allowing you to plug in your variables. Heck I even went one step further and calculated the theoretical number of alien civilizations capable of communication in the entire universe and came up with some GINORMOUS numbers. As a matter of fact, I would be shocked and disappointed if we were the only civilization (using that word loosely) in our galaxy let alone universe. Obviously a skeptic I am not So when you attempt to dismiss me and label me incorrectly, I do take offense

That being said, this thread is not asking about BELIEF in existence but tangible evidence that is usually claimed (ie Overwhelming evidence). We've seen all the blurry pictures, dots in the night sky, etc...
But many have never seen anything that is good solid evidence. Something that would stand up in a court of law. If there is any, please post it.

Hi everyone,

Nobody reacted on my post about the HP...This is quiet strange, because yes the Hessdalen researchers prooved that UFOs & UAPs do exist and that they have "never seen before characteristics" and that they "react" when a laser is pointed at them or that they can repeat the same trajectory twice.

Would you honestly think that a laser could do this to a plasma ball & ball lignting kinda phenomena ?

There are so many weird characteristics regarding the Hp that it is just mind blowing and trust me, I exposed this studies to the roughest skeptics in my country and they cannot back their claim when they say that this must be a natural phenomena.

I am not saying this is a proof of alien visitation in our skies, but this is very disturbing, you have to admit it and yes UFOs & UAPs are real and it has been demonstrated by these scientists. They still did not duplicate this phenomena in a laboratory but the astrophysician Massimo Theodorany from Italy is getting there...

Peace,
Europa

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Maybe not Aliens, and maybe not solid proof, whatever that is. But these links are still none the less, very good evidence, perhaps proof of Aliens.

Operation Prato
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Mass UFO sighting in New South Whales
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Three: Disclosure project (some of it's crap, but they do have ATC controllers and such come forward).
www.disclosureproject.org...

Invasion At Rendlesham
www.abovetopsecret.com... Try watching docos on it too.

UFO Tallahassee (Updated)
www.abovetopsecret.com...

If they don't work then try googling them.

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People keep saying there is no evidence but there is a mountain of evidence... the problem is... some people dont believe the evidence.

If its not in a court of law and being presented by a lawyer then it cant be evidence.... it's wrong people think this way but thats why people keep saying there's no evidence.

How can you go to court and present a photo saying here's a UFO.... you cant because there isn't a law for UFO's there is no reason for a court to allow this because there isn't a crime.

The only way to present your evidence is if its crime related so thats why groups such as the Disclosure Project etc are trying to bring the governments to account for misleading the people... and this is the only way EVIDENCE will be properly studied and analysed.

This doesn't mean there is no evidence, its just very hard for it to be properly presented and processed. Just taking photo's for example... these are evidence in themselves... just like using CCTV footage of crimes today in court, the only difference is the subject matter.

The other complication is when you go to court to prove a crime you dont have to prove, at the same time, crime exists (like you would if its a UFO case).

Just my 2 cents

There is not proof either way, no one can prove they exist and no one can prove they dont exist.

At least the believers will have a chance of proving themselves right, the non believers can never be 100% correct.

Originally posted by Flyer
There is not proof either way, no one can prove they exist and no one can prove they dont exist.
At least the believers will have a chance of proving themselves right, the non believers can never be 100% correct.

Hello,

Proving that something does not exist is a total nonsense, by using the scientific method you can only prove the reality of something. It is like if I asked you to prove that Superman does not exist, you won't have any physical proof of that, so on the other end, I'll be able to tell you that it might exist and so on with any other topic...


Peace,
Europa

Which is exactly what I said. You cant prove something doesnt exist.

internet forums are becomin big piles of garbage, with unresourceful, lazy, bottom dwellers wanting someone to prove something to them, when they at first bring no counter evidence against what they're debating, and all replies are usually only a few sentences long, which drags out into an 8 page thread talking back and forth about, "thats not what i said, you said that", etc..., leading to absolutely nothing in the end.

to the op, what have you truly done to try to prove to yourself that aliens are not real? wait, i do think i read a reply that you said you believe they exist, but you dont see any hard evidence, ie... there isnt a high definition video of an alien getting out of a space ship. but anyways

how many documentaries have you purchased, or watched on the net, and i mean truly watched, not fast forward through until you see something cool, and then push play to see what they have to say about it. how many books have you read on the subject? have you tried to contact any individuals personally to hear their story, and see for yourself how genuine it is? the real question, as im sure has already been posted, which may be the internet cliche, but really, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO TRY TO PROVE YOURSELF WRONG/RIGHT?

why make these threads, when you know you have not done the research? i know you havent. you can pout all you want, but its the same across the web. i just truly know you havent. correct me if im wrong.

there is a large amount of evidence out there. from confessions from very respectable men who are, or were in the military, to government officials themselves. from physical evidence, to video. if you would educate yourself more, you would read, and see this stuff. but no, of course not, why do your own research, when you can come in here, and play the little baby waby, and ask the daddys for high definition videos of proof showing an alien getting out of his ship, breakdancing, and then going back in.

i will agree, that i have not seen a high definition video of a ufo landing, or in the air, whatever, but after doing my own research, it is undeniable that ufo's are out there, and more than less likely, alot, if not most, are not of this planet, and if they are, they are from a civilization that is old, and a civilization that we are unaware of. a civilization that we would probably consider alien by most standards. i would not disagree that maybe a few are of this planet, maybe from black projects going on around the world.

take abductions for an example. as crazy as an abduction might sound coming from someone, it is happening, and has happened alot more than you probably think it has. hell, sitting in my apartment right now, there is a beautiful young girl upstairs, about 24 or so, and one night i was up there fixing her computer, having a beer, and i randomly made a joke about aliens hacking her computer or something, and she was like, they're real, i know it sounds crazy, but i was abducted, and she said she used to get abducted for a while like every other night when she was young. this revelation came after a few more words about conspiracies, and aliens, but i was kinda thrown back that she out of all people you would assume, would say that. she looks like an average young lady, who you might see out at the club lookin absolutely fine, and she was pretty sincere about the fact that she used to get abducted, and she doesnt like to tell people, but i guess in the light of our small discussion, and she probably felt comfortable talking to me, she let it out. she could be lying, but it kinda makes you think.

she doesnt know about this forum, and doesnt like to talk about it, because everyone would think she is crazy, but there she is, a girl who possibly was abducted multiple times in her younger years, with maybe something new to bring to the table, but she doesnt want to bring up the memory, or really talk about it. criticism can be hard to deal with, and most people dont like to see it as worth their time to tell stories about being abducted, when it will fall mostly upon deaf ears, and she would inevitably just be pleading her case for the rest of her life. to most people they would say, well im not getting abducted now, and most people would not believe me, so why waste my time. maybe someone out there does have a high definition video of a ufo, but as crazy as it may sound to some of the "brave conan's" around here, they may be to scared to go public with it. assuming that someway, somehow, it will get linked back to them, and the big bad wolf will come knocking at their door. they might not be internet savy. maybe they dont have the internet. maybe they're concerned with being able to anonymously upload it, and dont know how. maybe they just dont care, and its going to go down as a part of their own little collection. maybe they just recorded it a year or a few months ago, and just have not had the time in their personal life to get it to someone, or load it onto the net. why? maybe they just dont care that much. might seem absured, but we can be a pretty absured race of people at times.

im just saying. just like those who demand proof of paranormal powers, maybe those truly with it, just dont care about your ventures, or what it would do to help society, or help scientist under this, or understand that. some people just dont have the resources or the tools, and, eh, some people probably just dont care, or are scared.

given the grand cover up that has been going on this long. do you think that a high definiton video of a ufo would last that long on the net. pressuming that would be the first place it would hit. i know you would assume the government is that stupid, and so are the people they hire, or whoever it is monitoring the big ordeal behind the scenes, but i would bet my car that minutes after information that sensitive hit the net, it would dissapear, and those who saw the video, their ip's would be traced, their computers cracked and scanned to see if the video was downloaded to their pc. their information stolen, or they would just get a good ol visit.

the media is controlled, so no going there with your evidence, and if you just threw it on the net expecting it to be there for all to see, you have another thing coming. thats just my opinion.

Well..if they dont exist, then some goverments have been investigating a phonomena that doesnt exist. what a waste of effort from them. And now british mod for example, is to release top secret files of a phonomena that doesnt exist. And so have many other countries. There must be a lot of wackos in charge of our countries.

reply to post by II HAL II


Here is my thought on evidence.

Lets say someone presents a photo of a UFO (Unidentified Flying Object). A UFO doesn't automatically mean alien it just means unknown aircraft.

We look at the source of the photo-who took it.
We look at the location of the UFO-For example, was it taken next to an airport at night?
We look at the photo itself in attempt to determine authenticity.
We check to determine whether or not there were any unusual atmospheric phenomenon when/where the photo was taken.

ETC...

Now lets say we have determined that the photo was not doctored, it was not a plane, a star, Atmospheric Phenomenon, etc..

That means it is a UFO.

Now at this point we start looking deeper into eye witness accounts, other photos, videos, etc.

If we can find other photos, videos, eyewitness accounts and they all match up and we can add something additional such as a high speed maneuver that is not possible with all known conventional aircraft, maybe we have something and we can set it aside for further research.

To me, that's pretty interesting.

Many times I have seen a single, blurry photo and some guy saying "it didn't look like a plane to me" and thats all we know about it.
So we have a blurry dot in the sky and one guys amateur opinion. That is where research tends to stop but it should only be the beginning.

If we really put some serious effort into these UFO sightings, we might actually get somewhere.

Of course this is just my scattered opinion

Originally posted by jfj123
Something that would stand up in a court of law. If there is any, please post it.

Doesn't witness testimony and photographs stand up in a court of law? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Originally posted by GeeGee

Originally posted by jfj123
Something that would stand up in a court of law. If there is any, please post it.

Doesn't witness testimony and photographs stand up in a court of law? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes, read my last post for details.

Originally posted by jfj123
Well why don't you post a few?

Check the Compilation: Evidence for EBEs for EBE Evidence
Check the Compilation on UFOs by Gazrok for UFO Evidence
Check the Compilation: Evidence for Alien Tech for EBE Technology Evidence

These are all in my signature. Each thread is ever growing, and I welcome new reports. Each report contains ATS links where that case is being discussed.

One of these days I'm going to make a Compendium: Compilations of Evidence thread LOL

By the by, a lot more ATS members seem to be using this method of analysis, I see more compilations here every day. There is a massive jungle of data here at ATS, and elsewhere on the internet. ATS members have been debating it for years. We've now begun to categorize it. This effort will continue until those unwilling to dig on their own can find it all with the click of a mouse.

The evidence is all there is. Most of the work of gathering it has already been done for you.

reply to post by eskick


The proof is in the science. The Drake equation thats all I have to say.
www.activemind.com...
en.wikipedia.org...

Distances between stars are impossible to overcome by any vessel, be it man- or alien made. Even if every earth-like planet in the universe was inhabited by one dominant intelligent life form, none of those life forms would ever meet. Or even gather knowledge of the others existence. Let alone proof.

I've seen tons of very convincing UFO vids, and I've seen strange things in the sky myself. It is tempting to resort to the alien hypothesis. But as long as there is a faint possibility of a rational explanation, and there always is, I'll go with that one without further questions.

reply to post by C0bzz


As far as Rendlesham goes, I tend to believe this explanation. It makes the casts of the landing gear fall into place.
Rendlesham Explained?

Simple thing I can prove the existance of ufo's for a simple 1 million dollars US and you don't have the money. It really is not any more complicated than that.


mikell

Edit to say Bring CASH$$$$

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Proof? I'll bite on that one.

How about National Front Page News that "We have recovered a flying disc".

And, from that little guy, you have your internet, your LCD screens, your laser disc and DVD's, fiber optics and, of course, ATS!

Nothing to see here, please keep moving.

I can't provide proof positive but this one has always puzzled me:

www.youtube.com...

and this one:

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by Caffeine
Distances between stars are impossible to overcome by any vessel, be it man- or alien made.

Actually, there has been quite a bit of research in FTL propulsion. Several solid theories including the creation of warp bubbles and using massive magnetic fields to create a hyperspace opening. Obviously these are only theoretical models but sound fairly promising. If there were an alien race a few thousand years ahead of us, they may have already discovered and started using these technologies. I know it sounds nutty but try googling
Real Warp Drive
or
NASA Breakthrough Propulsions Physics Program

I've seen tons of very convincing UFO vids, and I've seen strange things in the sky myself. It is tempting to resort to the alien hypothesis. But as long as there is a faint possibility of a rational explanation, and there always is, I'll go with that one without further questions.

I tend to believe that the vast majority of UFO sightings could be explained away rationally if they were looked into thoroughly enough.