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Scientists Find Hot Spot on Saturn's Chilly Pole

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posted on Jan, 6 2008 @ 03:30 PM

Saturn's chilly north pole boasts a hot spot of compressed air, a surprising discovery that could shed light on other planets within our own solar system and beyond, researchers said on Thursday.

Scientists already knew about a hot spot at Saturn's sunny south pole but data from the Cassini spacecraft now shows that the winter pole drenched in darkness also has a hot spot, said Nick Teanby, a planetary scientist, who worked on the study.

"With this Cassini mission we can also see the winter pole, which we are not able to see from Earth because of the tilt of the planet," said Teanby of the University of Oxford. "We didn't expect it to have a hot spot at the north."

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Paging Dr. Hoagland...Paging Dr. Hoagland...I have heard him make claims about Hyper-dimensional Physics and how this relates to the gas giants. Can anyone clarify this?


posted on Jan, 6 2008 @ 04:02 PM
very interesting..

i did look at the picture posted on Reuters:

this reminds me about the strange hexagonal shape situated in the North Pole of Jupiter .. then the "Lucifer" project (cannot be confirmed it exists) to ignite Jupiter..
take a look at this:

[edit on 6-1-2008 by sty]

posted on Jan, 6 2008 @ 05:14 PM
I thought the Lucifer project was the Cassini mission. By crashing 72 pounds of Plutonium into the atmosphere, it would ignite and become a star...or so they say. (I don't believe that one)
But Saturn now has 2 of the Hexagonal shapes on it (at both poles) that rotate the opposite way and are way hotter than anywhere else on that planet.

posted on Jan, 6 2008 @ 05:32 PM
reply to post by harddrive21

Thank you for sharing this find

Image credits: NASA/JPL/GSFC/Oxford University

Saturn’s ‘hot hexagon’ surprise - Oxford University

Saturn's North Pole Hot Spot and Hexagon - NASA

posted on Jan, 6 2008 @ 05:44 PM
A very good find. Congratulations to the OP for a very interesting bit of news.

The big question now is what does this mean? Is it nothing more than an oddity? Is it portentous in some way? Or does it just basically show that we don't know half as much as we act like we do?

Good thread.

posted on Jan, 6 2008 @ 05:49 PM
reply to post by harddrive21

Nice find hdrive!

Maybe the hot spot will turn Saturn into a Second Sun and our solar system will become like most of the other systems . . . a binary star system!

posted on Jan, 6 2008 @ 07:43 PM
reply to post by NGC2736

Again thank you! I believe this shows that we don't know as much as we think we do. As for their explanation of compressed air going down that heats it seems ok, but there has to be more to it.
As for this being the link to Project Lucifer and Cassini setting it off - well, the comets that hit Jupiter (Shoemaker-Levy) hit with more force and energy than the Plutonium would release - but I am not sure about a thermo-nuclear reaction and the gas planets...any help from the mods or any expert would be appreciated.

posted on Jan, 6 2008 @ 08:05 PM
My understanding is Jupiter does not have enough Mass to become a star.

Or to be mores specific...

Originally posted by Off_The_Street
Jupiter is simply not massive enough for its gravitational acceleration to compress the core enough to start fusion, which is what you have to have to power a star.

Here are some other varying opinions.

Jupiter to Become our Second Sun?

posted on Jan, 6 2008 @ 08:41 PM
If you will excuse my limited cosmological knowledge there is a theory that I and others have which is that being gaseous and rotating as it does, it would stand to reason that a vortex of sorts would be generated and possibly "venting" the internal heat. Why it has not been seen until now I cannot say....just a thought.....
With regards to the Lucifer project, how feasable is it really? As much fun as it is to blow stuff up that may be all we would do. After all, how much do we really know about the internal make up of either of the gas giants? After all, we are so shocked and fascinated about this hot spot.
Would we just blow it up or if we manage to ingnite it how long could it sustain and fuel the combustion?

posted on Jan, 6 2008 @ 09:50 PM
Internos - Thanks for adding the photo.
JBird - I agree, from what I know, Jupiter doesn't have what it takes to get started.
VikingAnt - I didn't think that Saturn had alot of internal heat...and if it did, shouldn't it be released equally around the planet, not just at one point at each pole? I thought Voyager would have found this before Cassini.
Wow, what would happen if we did have a binary star system? Could we survive like they did in Arthur Clarke's 2010?

posted on Jan, 6 2008 @ 09:56 PM
Here is a link to Richard Hoagland's Enterprise Mission website where Hyperdimensional Physics is explained.

There is so much there I don't know where to start...but its a few pages long.

posted on Jan, 6 2008 @ 10:19 PM

Originally posted by harddrive21
VikingAnt - I didn't think that Saturn had alot of internal heat...and if it did, shouldn't it be released equally around the planet, not just at one point at each pole?

I thought the same about Saturns internal temps but I saw the following in
Should it release heat evenly? I cannot say but strange things do happen in our solar system.....As theorised in my previous post, being largly gaseous and rotating could perhaps create a vortex exracting heat?

"Observations from the earth and the Pioneeer spacecraft have long puzzled astronomers because they indicate that Saturn is radiating much more internal heat than it should. This anomaly leads to the outrageous possibility that Saturn is actually very young and has not cooled off as much as we would expect from theory. "

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[edit on 10-1-2008 by Jbird]

posted on Jan, 6 2008 @ 10:37 PM
VikingAnt : Hmm....that is interesting. Saturn could be alot younger than thought. Would that explain the rings then? Not enough time for them to be sucked into the planet or flung out in space?
The atmospheric composition is 93.2% Hydrogen and 6.7% Helium. The sun in 745% Hydrogen and 7% Helium. The numbers are close, but they are different in their densities.

posted on Jan, 6 2008 @ 10:59 PM
Well, I think it's obvious that both Saturn and Jupiter are not capable of nuclear fusion and becoming a star ( if nuclear fusion explains how stars work) by themselves. However, I think the point that the Lucifer Project is leaning on is that once nuclear fusion starts, via some type of nuclear bomb (Hydrogen Bomb, which is a fusion bomb), the planets contain the right amount of elements to continue this reaction.

As for the Hot Spot, this is a great find and it does make me wonder. I would like to see the relationship between the temp. of the poles on Saturn and sunspot activity on. Maybe there is some correlation.

[edit on 6-1-2008 by DevolutionEvolvd]

posted on Jan, 6 2008 @ 10:59 PM
I didnt think it too relevant at the time, but since you made note of the atmospheric composition, the quote goes on to say

The infrared detector on the recent Voyager-1 flyby seems to show that the atmosphere of Saturn possesses only about half as much helium as theory would have. The surmise is that the missing helium is still residing in the planet.

Maybe this may answer some questions....

P.S. tried to reply to U2U (in short...ta much) but dont have enough posts to my name....this should add one more.....LOL

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[edit on 10-1-2008 by Jbird]

posted on Jan, 6 2008 @ 11:18 PM
LOL yeah, the rules for U2U and chat take some time to get enough posts.

DE - with your fusion statement, does that mean you believe in the electric model? I have seen some information that the solar system is heating up - global warming for all - so now that we have Cassini there, we can compare year by year data of the hexagonal clouds/temperature to the SOHO data.

VA - Hmmm....hidden Helium? Think it is in the clouds, lower atmosphere or liquid? Each location opens up a set of problems. Now this is going to keep me up tonight LOL.

posted on Jan, 6 2008 @ 11:33 PM
Yes, that is exactly where I was headed with that statement. Glad you caught on so quickly.

I think if there were to be a direct link between these two pieces of data, it might be also connected to this electrical model. Just a thought. However, I'm sure this data will never be presented if even taken into consideration. It just never fails that NASA finds something that knocks them flat on their face, but not without them making some wild claim as to what may be the cause.

posted on Jan, 6 2008 @ 11:38 PM
DE - Just a quick thought before I recharge my mental batteries :
If there is a strong enough electric field like the one we have on Earth, would it produce a Aurora Borealis? The electric model, I think, states that the sun puts out a ton of plasma and energy. So if it hits the field, wouldn't all that energy be funneled into the poles? And if so, that excess energy could heat things up and mess up the rotation of the clouds. How does that sound? Plausible?

posted on Jan, 6 2008 @ 11:54 PM
Well, at first thought, if that were the case then we would see the exact same affect here on earth. The "Solar Wind", which is a constant stream of charged particles, or plasma, enters the atmosphere of earth at the poles, where the EM field is weak, which causes Aurora Borealis and Aurora Astraulis.

I don't think the solar wind would cause the poles to heat up, but I would like to see what NGC2736 has to say about this with regards to plasma cosmology.

posted on Jan, 7 2008 @ 12:38 AM
Ok this is weird. But I'm looking at that picture of Saturns pole and first I see Pizza.
Does everyone else see the triangle slices. What is that?
Is it a patch job of many images sent by the satellite?

Ok then there is the hexagon, and I'm thinking what image fits in a hexagon?
A six pointed start. So I'm curious and have this sense to check an stray thought
and sure enough I find
Saturn and the Jews

Satan is also associated with Saturn...hmm

Weird right?

Project Lucifer could have all kinds of crazy meaning to it.
Key to Hell
Killing Jewish Diety
Releasing world from astrological influence
Terraforming other worlds

I'm curious to see what happens.
If I had a big nuke and rockets I'd try igniting a gas giant, in the name of science.

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