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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
I believe in uniting the continent. I like the idea. It works.
The eminent domain issue isn't that much of a concern if you consider that a superhighway isn't necessarily going to go through valuable property.
Originally posted by Leyla
I don't like the idea of a NAU. It won't work. The government is to big now. 200 years ago it was much smaller.
So you want Canada and Mexico to join the US? You are crazy. We already have Mexicans swarming us- in North Carolina. Every time I turn around no matter where I go, there's a Mexican. What bothers me is I don't know if their here legally or not. This is US soil not Mexican soil.
I say no!! Since your not living here, I don't care what you think.
Ron Paul is against the North American Union if elected he will put a stop to that real fast and withdraw the troops in Iraq. And he will put a stop the NAFTA agreement. This is why he's in the middle of the media black out and why Fox News is in the dog house. They don't want Ron Paul elected and those neo-con news stations will do anything to keep that from happening.
If Ron Paul doesn’t get the nomination- I won't vote in November.
BTW? Has anyone took the time to read about the Issues Ron Paul has listed on his website? I suggest you read them before you condem Ron Paul.
Originally posted by grimreaper797
First, if you want a european nation...why don't you live in europe?
There are people in america that don't want a european system and don't have an alternative. They can't move to another country that has another system like america.
If you want a socialist system, there are other governments out there that are socialist.
If I want another capitalist nation with the rights we have now, there is no alternative, this is it. If you think there are nations out there which are fundamentally different, yet better then ours, then join them.
As far as the civil rights go, that is what motivated me into politics.
That is completely different then healthcare. That is not a right. Universal healthcare is a huge entitlement system that is pretty much unconstitutional.
As far as uniting the nation, no.
If you want the EU...then move there.
It sounds like everything you want is already happening elsewhere.
Stop trying to do us a favor by forcing your socialist system upon us and let us do capitalism. That is what america is about. If you want socialism, america isnt the place for you.
For citizenship, if you are born from an american citizen, you should be an american citizen. If not, then you should have to apply for citizenship.
Its not our strict following of the constitution that is the problem, its your poor understanding between what is a right and what is an entitlement that is the problem.
You just said "people should have the right to proper healthcare, education, etc." when we do. We have the right to the best healthcare in the world. We have the right to some of the best schools and colleges in the world. We do NOT have the entitlement to the best healthcare or education in the world though. We have the right to guns. We do not have the entitlement for guns.
America is about rights, and is against entitlements. If you want entitlements, there are pleanty of "free" socialist countries out there to join. The EU is one of them.
Entitlements take away peoples rights. I am against them, and any american would be too.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
clearly you ignored the part where i said i'm a student studying abroad... i'm actually in europe right now. that's why i want some aspects of a european system incorporated into america, i've seen how well they work first hand.
you mean one where you can be completely taken advantage of by circumstance?
you're missing the point, i want to make america a better place.
well, ron paul said that he would have voted against the civil rights act... so there you go.
it's promoting the general welfare... that's quite constitutional.
it's also the best system you can have. just look at the data, nations with socialized systems have it better if they have the money to fund it. america has more than enough money to manage it, yet they don't for some reason i've yet to discern, they're afraid to implement it.
the 5 best healthcare systems in the world:
yet you have no reasoning... quite common.
i'm actually currently residing in my nation of origin and EU member state malta. that's why i want such things for america, i see the positive influence it has.
yes, which is why america should realize that it's behind the curve for once...
again, brandishing around the world socialism. i'm not talking abut redistribution of wealth, i'm talking about doing what's best for the people here. clearly PURE capitalism doesn't work, using certain ideas from socialism is a logical course to take.
that's kind of odd... because everyone living in the americas at the time of the ratification of the constitution just became a citizen... honestly, the system you're proposing is very...well, bigoted... and would cause a paperwork nightmare... especially since you'd have to get a visa for any child born to immigrant parents.
it would do undue harm to any immigrant family that happens to have a child here.
or it's your assumption that i have a poor understanding.
actually, americans don't have a right to things they cannot access...like the best healthcare. now, if you count being able to go to france and get that as part of the right... then i guess you could say they have the right to it.
i also think education should be an entitlement.
same with healthcare. if you're a poor family and you're stricken with cancer, then you're going to have a harder time recovering than if you were a rich family. this shows an inherent INEQUALITY in the system in which the rich are simply entitled by birth to a rich family...
oh, and it would actually save the capitalist system a bunch of money at a time when health insurance has become one of the highest expenditures of any business.
well, you clearly don't understand global politics when you label the EU as a country instead of a union of sovereign nations...
ok... you're going to just put out a baseless opinion and then appeal to base patriotism to mask your lack of argument... good job
how about this, i'm for entitlement by national citizenship, you're for people being entitled by birth to a family... your position sounds awfully medieval.
Originally posted by grimreaper797
Well stop. We aren't asking for you to take socialist policies of a foreign government and convert our government. If you like that system more, then stay there. Its really that simple. If there were a system better than ours, I would move there. There is no such system, so I am staying in the current one. Its not in the best shape, but its still better than the EU and all those other nations practicing socialism.
You can believe that if you want. The reality is this, the only person that wants to completely take advantage of me is you by transforming the US government into one that further takes money out of my pockets by law. That is being taken advantage of.
and you are missing the point, we don't want your help. We would rather improve on our system, rather than adopting some foreign governments system. Just because you think you are making america a better place doesn't mean you are.
I meant the civil rights movement, not the civil rights act.
No its not promoting it, its demanding it. Promoting it is like the government releasing an ad that says "everyone work together to lower insurance costs! Help your neighbor when you can!" What you are talking about is taking money directly out of peoples paychecks/wallets and telling them they HAVE to help everyone else or face punishment by law. That is not constitutional.
and the top 5 nations political systems are:
The United States..is not socialist. It never should be, and hopefully never will be. Stealing money from other people to pay for your medical bills may sound nice, but its still wrong. I don't care if you have the most pure of intentions, stealing money from people is unconstitutional.
In a socialist system the poor don't need to rob people, they have the government do it for them.
I have a pretty good reason. Its called sovernty.
Originally posted by grimreaper797
f mexico and canda want to become United States states, let them apply for it and if we want them in, we will let them. If they don't want to become part of the United States following our federal governments laws, then I don't see any room for them in our government. Plain and simple.
Do us a bigger favor and just stay there. If its so positive just stay there and let us Americans handle our nation without having to transform it into the EU Pt.2
Or that we just aren't interested in conforming to what you believe is "the right thing to do" when the reality is...other people do have different views.
You call it doing whats best for the people, I call it robbery of people that worked hard to get what they earned.
Funny that thing called perspective. I say that clearly socialist ideas don't work as most countries that use it are running the programs on deficit funding and debt.
And they do not have the best healthcare to be provided, just the best for everyone to get. We have the best healthcare, but not everyone can afford it.
If charity does not want to help those that can't afford it, then thats the hard reality of life. Everyone has to die one day. We can't all live forever.
Are they a legal citizen of the united states or are they just here on working papers. If so, well then the new born isn't a US citizen, plain and simple. I didn't say "Anyone who wasn't born here isn't a US citizen. And anyone born to somebody not born in the US isnt either." I said anyone who is not currently a US citizen with legal documentation that has a child would not be a US citizen.
I didnt assume anything. You specifically said the right to healthcare and education. Everyone in the US already has that right. If you dont realize that then you have a poor understanding of what rights are.
If I don't have money for a gun, do I not have the right to bear arms? Of course I do. Use some sense here.
Well as far as the federal government is concerned, its not their place to create entitlements. If you want to make such a law at the state level, be my guest. As long as we are talking about federal government, keep your socialist policies in europe.
No they are most certainly equal. Nobody is stopping you from getting healthcare but you. You dont have the money, that is your own problem. Nobody restricted you.
You are not entitled to other peoples money just because your relatives before you didn't work hard enough or strike it rich.
Everyone has equal rights, and nobody is entitled to anything. Thats the way it is, and good riddens too.
that is because we have partial government intervention in healthcare. It is not a capitalist healthcare system, that is for sure. Americas healthcare is far from a capitalist healthcare system, and it is the fault of people who complain to the government about there rights, when they are just being too lazy to do it themselves.
As far as I am concerned the EU is one big country of socialists. Im not going to go naming all the individual nations. I could go on and name all of them, but whats the point?
What are you talking about "baseless opinion"? You are stealing peoples MONEY, how is that not taking away somebodies rights to property.
You are the one without an argument.
We aren't asking for your help by bringly your all holy morally right socialist healthcare system to the United States. Our government is not about entitlements, plain and simple. If you want an entitlement system, choose a different government.
What reason do you have to come over here and screw up our government?
What do you mean by national citizenship? Im for everyone getting documents to become a legal citizen unless they are born to a family which is already legally citizens. Where is the problem in that?
Originally posted by Justin Oldham
Those of you who want to change the national dialogue need to be ready and willing to step up to say what's on your mild for as long as Paul is on the national stage...