Originally posted by Leyla
I don't like the idea of a NAU. It won't work. The government is to big now. 200 years ago it was much smaller.
yes, and then they had a constitutional convention and realized that the articles of confederation were crap...
oh, and the nation was also much smaller back then.
So you want Canada and Mexico to join the US? You are crazy. We already have Mexicans swarming us- in North Carolina. Every time I turn around no
matter where I go, there's a Mexican. What bothers me is I don't know if their here legally or not. This is US soil not Mexican soil.
alright, it's also not german, irish, chinese, or polish soil... should we deport the descendants of those immigrants? honestly, there are hardly any
americans only people born to the descendants of those who immigrated to america.
I say no!! Since your not living here, I don't care what you think.
well, i'm an american citizen... so i have that little right to vote and all those freedoms.
Ron Paul is against the North American Union if elected he will put a stop to that real fast and withdraw the troops in Iraq. And he will put a stop
the NAFTA agreement. This is why he's in the middle of the media black out and why Fox News is in the dog house. They don't want Ron Paul elected
and those neo-con news stations will do anything to keep that from happening.
really? a media blackout? but ABC let him on... yet they didn't let kucinich on... hmm...
If Ron Paul doesn’t get the nomination- I won't vote in November.
well, it's nice to see that you're keeping such an open mind...
BTW? Has anyone took the time to read about the Issues Ron Paul has listed on his website? I suggest you read them before you condem Ron Paul.
yes, and i disagree with most of his views.
Originally posted by grimreaper797
First, if you want a european nation...why don't you live in europe?
clearly you ignored the part where i said i'm a student studying abroad... i'm actually in europe right now. that's why i want some aspects of a
european system incorporated into america, i've seen how well they work first hand.
There are people in america that don't want a european system and don't have an alternative. They can't move to another country that has another
system like america.
you mean one where you can be completely taken advantage of by circumstance?
If you want a socialist system, there are other governments out there that are socialist.
socialism... you say that both like it's a bad thing and like it's what i'm espousing.
If I want another capitalist nation with the rights we have now, there is no alternative, this is it. If you think there are nations out there which
are fundamentally different, yet better then ours, then join them.
you're missing the point, i want to make america a better place.
As far as the civil rights go, that is what motivated me into politics.
well, ron paul said that he would have voted against the civil rights act... so there you go.
That is completely different then healthcare. That is not a right. Universal healthcare is a huge entitlement system that is pretty much
it's promoting the general welfare... that's quite constitutional.
it's also the best system you can have. just look at the data, nations with socialized systems have it better if they have the money to fund it.
america has more than enough money to manage it, yet they don't for some reason i've yet to discern, they're afraid to implement it.
the 5 best healthcare systems in the world:
As far as uniting the nation, no.
yet you have no reasoning... quite common.
If you want the EU...then move there.
i'm actually currently residing in my nation of origin and EU member state malta. that's why i want such things for america, i see the positive
influence it has.
It sounds like everything you want is already happening elsewhere.
yes, which is why america should realize that it's behind the curve for once...
Stop trying to do us a favor by forcing your socialist system upon us and let us do capitalism. That is what america is about. If you want socialism,
america isnt the place for you.
again, brandishing around the world socialism. i'm not talking abut redistribution of wealth, i'm talking about doing what's best for the people
here. clearly PURE capitalism doesn't work, using certain ideas from socialism is a logical course to take.
For citizenship, if you are born from an american citizen, you should be an american citizen. If not, then you should have to apply for
that's kind of odd... because everyone living in the americas at the time of the ratification of the constitution just became a citizen... honestly,
the system you're proposing is very...well, bigoted... and would cause a paperwork nightmare... especially since you'd have to get a visa for any
child born to immigrant parents.
it would do undue harm to any immigrant family that happens to have a child here.
Its not our strict following of the constitution that is the problem, its your poor understanding between what is a right and what is an entitlement
that is the problem.
or it's your assumption that i have a poor understanding.
You just said "people should have the right to proper healthcare, education, etc." when we do. We have the right to the best healthcare in the
world. We have the right to some of the best schools and colleges in the world. We do NOT have the entitlement to the best healthcare or education in
the world though. We have the right to guns. We do not have the entitlement for guns.
actually, americans don't have a right to things they cannot access...like the best healthcare. now, if you count being able to go to france and get
that as part of the right... then i guess you could say they have the right to it.
i also think education should be an entitlement. it's the only way for a truly capitalist society to thrive and be equal at the same time. without
entitlement to education, a capitalist society will devolve into a system where one cannot advance without birth being the most significant factor.
same with healthcare. if you're a poor family and you're stricken with cancer, then you're going to have a harder time recovering than if you were
a rich family. this shows an inherent INEQUALITY in the system in which the rich are simply entitled by birth to a rich family...
oh, and it would actually save the capitalist system a bunch of money at a time when health insurance has become one of the highest expenditures of
America is about rights, and is against entitlements. If you want entitlements, there are pleanty of "free" socialist countries out there to join.
The EU is one of them.
well, you clearly don't understand global politics when you label the EU as a country instead of a union of sovereign nations...
Entitlements take away peoples rights. I am against them, and any american would be too.
ok... you're going to just put out a baseless opinion and then appeal to base patriotism to mask your lack of argument... good job
how about this, i'm for entitlement by national citizenship, you're for people being entitled by birth to a family... your position sounds awfully