Thinking for Yourself is Now a Crime--must read for ATS'ers

Its like people here don't read what the bill is going to be, and just accept the interpretation by others that meets their expectation that the U.S. is becoming a police state.

In summary, the bill is built on long term plan where we deal with potential home grown terrorists by understanding the motivations and how to deal with it. Its kind of like gang prevention program where they try to prevent kids from joining gangs by having them engage in activities that makes them feel they are part of the community instead of committing crimes. Law enforcement is always necessary to deal with gangs, but if you want to deal with gangs in long term, have kids engaged with the community. Same thing with potential homegrown terrorists. You have law enforcement and military to combat terrorism, but you want to also engaged in fighting on another front by reaching out to potential but not yet turned terrorist.

Originally posted by TheSkepticSway
i to am unsure about a illuminati or anythin remotley to do with that, but with the world going as it is, i cant see somethin like that being far off a possibility, i only hope that our children dont see it in their lifetime.

keeping the faith
TheSkepticSway

PArdon me, sir, but our VERY distant ANCESTORS have lived not only amongst the control of the Illuminati, (which is a registered orginazation, by the way, they even have their own website , I guess) and , just look at the magnitude of all this crap comiong togehter man, this is going to be one hellof a ride, in 2008....

First post here, although i have read a lot of articles.

I think this is the reason things are going downhill for the american nation. This overly "trapped" approach to civilians. "Lets keep them so trapped that they follow exactly what we want". Yet as americans what do you do? or what can you do? Is it so far gone now that the idea of freedom of speach is losing the battle to "terrorism" (which in my opinion is the latest cop out for the goverment to use). Look at 9/11 (sorry, i know it gets used a lot but that because it is a big pointer in the american goverment), so many ways to prevent it from back in the 60's to the time of impact and yet nothing was done??

In britian (where i live) before the iraq invasion a poll was taken and 58+% said NO to helping USA with Iraq because it was a pointless venture. What happened? We went anyway!!

This false sense of security is really making me angry, i dont know what we can do but as far as ATS community we must take a positive stand. We are a community that looks to the future and are open to many theories...so look at the world, how its taking shape is worrying!!!

Anyway, i think this new access to basically listening and judging everyone simply on opinions is a massive overwrite of your (as americans) but our as people(s) freedom! If i think (and im not alone here) bush is an worthless piece of S**T and someone is listening to me say that...will i be killed or "punished" for my view? Does this stop the generation of opinions? Which in turn means the goverment can do anything and anyone arguing will be classed as a terrorist!!

So are the US going into Iraq etc. to help create a "free" country, with these kind of laws back at home??? In my opinion this is absolutely obsurd!!

I think thats it from me...i would love to keep going but i just feel really frustrated while writing because it is such an important topic and there are so many scenario's and possiblities that could result and it almost feels like there is nothing to stop it.

Thanks for reading, I appreciate it!

IT has to be and it shall get worse. No democracy stands too long, before falling into socialism and then communism. I live in South Africa, but I can assure you that things are pretty much the same here. Sure, not on the same scale as in the U.S., but I've been told quite few times to keep my voice down, before "the wrong people" hear me. And the "wrong people" are not my colleagues who don't like me.

Democracy here was sold to the masses in the name of freedom and peace and equality for all. Nothing was mentioned about justice.

Originally posted by Amaxium

Originally posted by mid summer set us free
reply to post by palehorse23

 

The beast has already set up one of his enormous bronze statues titled saviour of the world in the amazon jungle.

Where exactly is this supposed statue you are referring to?

Originally posted by mid summer set us free
reply to post by palehorse23

 

Everyone that watches American IDOL are already worshipping the image of the beast.

What image are you referencing? Since you refernce 2 things specifically, you should have no problem providing photographic evidence of this. I am a believer, but you make a large claim regarding "the beast."

Since "mid summer set us free" seems to be unavailable I found this trying to research mid's calim to "the beast" statue in the Amazonian jungle. I found this as possible what mid was referrencing.

news.bbc.co.uk...

Anyone have any different information or new information regarding this?

As for the American IDOL symbol mid was referrencing, just because many people do not like Simon and most agree he is a pompous jerk does not mean he is related to the "beast" symbol. LOL I am not seeing a connection with an American IDOL symbol, though, as a symbol for the "beast."

So far, I am getting that mid summer set us free is claiming that "the beast" is Prince Charles of Wales, the soon to be King of England. Mid... am I correct in this interpretation?

This could possible be the start of a new thread.

WE should BE ABLE TO SAY WHAT WE WANT WHEN WE WANT. NOW IF THE GOVERNMENT IS GONNA TAKE AWAY THAT RIGHT i JEST DONT KNOW WHAT I WILL DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND IF THE GOVERNMENT IS READING THIS. I HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY THIS. TIS IS WHAT A.T.S. AND OTHER BLOGS ARE FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

democracy must stand. AS Patrick Henry SAID: "Give me Liberty, or give me Death!"

Even if your rights to think are taken from you, which they won't be as there is too many people that would stand up for one another these days, you still will be able to think whatever it is that you think. Your spirit is free and no one has the right to take that freedom away from you except you. If you tell yourself that you cant think and you are dumb that is what will happen. Anything can be created through the power of a free thought. Just look at the internet. If you had have told people 50 years ago they would have laughed and put you in a mental facility until you became like every other person that cant think for themselves.

Thinking for yourself will always be free, it is the way we make decisions.

The end of Free Speech in America has arrived at our doorstep. It's a new law called the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act, and it is worded in a clever way that could allow the U.S. government to arrest and incarcerate any individual who speaks out against the Bush Administration, the war on Iraq, the Department of Homeland Security or any government agency (including the FDA). The law has already passed the House on a traitorous vote of 405 to 6, and it is now being considered in the Senate where a vote is imminent. All over the internet, intelligent people who care about freedom are speaking out against this extremely dangerous law: Philip Giraldi at the Huffington Post, Declan McCullagh at CNET's News.com, Kathryn Smith at OpEdNews.com, and of course Alex Jones at PrisonPlanet.com

This bill is the beginning of the end of Free Speech in America. If it passes, all the information sources you know and trust could be shut down and their authors imprisoned. NewsTarget could be taken offline and I could be arrested as a "terrorist." Jeff Rense at www.Rense.com could be labeled a "terrorist" and arrested. Byron Richards, Len Horowitz, Paul Craig Roberts, Greg Palast, Ron Paul and even Al Gore could all be arrested, silenced and incarcerated. This is not an exaggeration. It is a literal reading of the law, which you can check yourself here: thomas.loc.gov...

The bill states:

‘...ideologically based violence’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual’s political, religious, or social beliefs...

Note that this means the "planned use of force to promote a political or social belief" would be considered an act of terrorism. This all hinges on the definition of "force," of course. Based on the loose use of logic in Washington these days, and the slippery interpretation of the meaning of words, "force" could mean:

• A grassroots campaign to barrage Congress with faxes
• A non-violent street protest
• A letter-writing campaign that deluges the Senate with too much mail
• A sit-in protest that blocks access to a business or organization
• A grassroots e-mail campaign that overloads the e-mail servers of any government department or agency

You get the idea. "Force" could be defined as practically anything. And since the "planned use of force" would be considered a criminal act of terrorism, anyone who simply thinks about a grassroots action campaign would be engaged in terrorist acts.

If you stopped someone on the street and handed them a Bible, for example, this could be considered an act of terrorism ("...use of force to promote the individual's religious beliefs...")

If you sent a barrage of angry letters to Washington about global warming and the destruction of the environment by the U.S. military, this could also be considered an act of terrorism ("...to promote the individual's political beliefs...")

Originally posted by Nailer

"Force" could be defined as practically anything. And since the "planned use of force" would be considered a criminal act of terrorism, anyone who simply thinks about a grassroots action campaign would be engaged in terrorist acts.

Thanks my friend I could not have said it any better myself.