im sure its already been said, but kanye is just plain too stupid to be one.

Why too stupid?

If you have integrity in the real sense of the word and are into positive energies and not into supporting those who want to create a system even more for elites who flaunt their wealth and power in the face of the masses, you would not want to go down this path at all.

Kanye IS stupid as is Jay Z etc. They are into something they don't really understand because their egos are overly inflated. They forget that a high profile and knowing 'the right people' didn't save other high profile musicians etc from weird deaths.

They don't understand they are expendable. If they are knowingly the propagandists for dark, negative energies there will be a high price to pay down the track in terms of horrible occurrences, many of which the general public will never know. If they think it is just a trendy thing to do (which I doubt given the weirdness of the music industry and entertainment industry in general and what people have to do to get put on) they will still pay that price.

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I don't know but Nas used to be a damn good lyricist, his first couple albums are great for hip hop albums New York State of Mind is like the best rap song ever "I never sleep cause sleep is the cousin of death". Jay Z and Kanye suck though. Also a lot of these rappers especially Nas have tons of songs that are anti government and talk about the illuminati and all that. I doudt they are a part of it, although I don't even believe the illuminati still exists. Also the reason a lot of rappers are flashy and stuff is because a lot of them grew up poor so when they come to into money they show it off.

I don't really see anything sinister in all of it. Also none of these dudes have any real power like someone earlier in the thread said. They are just entertainers.


[edit on 3-10-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

As an established hip hop artist myself, (Google: Blooded the Brave) I can vouch for the hidden agenda found deep in the industry.

I made it clear many years ago to local industry types that I will not play along, conform, or sign any papers.

Best decision I have ever made.

People know what I rap about and where I stand.

It's great because now when I book a show or go speak to the youth, they know what I stand for and what I will be spreaking about.

It's obvious and I am shocked at the ATS attitude toward this secret agenda.

Control and guide the youth through musical influence.

It is simple really and I am surprised people cannot admit it.

PS..
I was the one who got the religious questioned answered by NAS back in 02'.

Google that as well.

They admit where they stand, its all in their lyrics and who they associate themselves with.

"You are who your friends are"

Originally posted by Trauma
I don't know about Kanye or Nas but Jay-Z uses a lot of illuminati symbolism.

I just found out that Jay-z dropped his album "Blueprint" on 9/11!! Very suspect.

That doesn't point to Jay-Z.
That points to the people that control Jay-Z's marketing plan and distribution.
Hollywood types.

I am not a Christian but I find the Bible has much wisdom as do the holy books of many cultures in history and at the present time. 'By their fruits you shall know them' summarises many hiphop artists who have asserted they represent the underprivileged Black communities of America yet behave openly and less openly in ways that directly contradict this public face. Jay Z for one has mostly been a negative influence from way back with his emphasis on self orientation, materialism above all, deadness of soul, and constant screwing over of others with the blessing of the white masters.

I am not Black but I have always enjoyed quality hiphop music and have followed it since KRS1 and Marley Marl etc. Thanks for your post, The Brave. While music always has those who make a career out of controversy and use imagery that is questionable, sometimes simply for attention and thus moneymaking, those of us who have followed hiphops' career in the entertainment industry have witnessed a real degeneration of the music.

The agendas are mostly set by the powerful whites who control the music companies and also have major links with the movie companies, etc etc. I think it is clear that not only have Jay Z, Nas and minions like Kanye and others chosen to promote negativity through dark occult imagery and hyping up money and material things - they are so much beholden to their companies and those who control it that they probably have made themselves part of something that they cannot get out of even if they had the conscience to.

It's clear that Nas had a genuine consciousness that was positive but it was just too tempting to make himself relevant again in terms of material gains and music sales to stand against the worst elements in the music industry. That's why he is happy to degrade himself by being the satellite to Jay Z. I've never liked Jay Z because he has always come across from his early days as lacking in passion and soul-less. Most of his music with a few exceptions celebrated a swollen ego (not the ego of a developed adult) and obsession with possessions making the man.

Eminem is another big example. It's one thing to use the occult and Lucifer/Satan/Baphomet etc as simply metaphors for psychological and material struggles - it's another thing to go right into it as he does on Relapse. The bloodiness and darkness of his videos and songs seems a cry for help - a genuine one, a sense of being trapped because of what he did to get to where he is.

To be honest, I always looked up to Nas.

I went to many lengths, including a 13 hour drive, to see him perform at the 2002 summerjam.

That was a historic night because Nas had just released the Stillmatic album which featured, "Ether," his diss towards Jay Z.

Wouldn't you know it, Nas was not allowed to perform at his biggest show ever, because he was going to hang a Jay Z effige from the rafters.

Talk about an Eye Opener.

I talked to Fat Joe and NORE the night before on their tour bus and they warned me that I would be dissapointed because the Powers that Be were NOT going to allow Nas to Takeover the Hip Hop Industry.

I could go on for hours about the "Inner" Workings of the hip hop Indusrty.

PS...I had a Run In with Eminem in 2000.
I talk about it in an Interview I did this summer with a hip hop Blog.

We had a mini-showdown over my buddies sister who was sitting on his lap at a after party I threw with Ice-T's Brother.

My life is full of random instances.

PPS...
Monday I am performing at Washington High School in Indianapolis. I will be addressing the students about several topics. One topic will be about false Idols and the inner workings of the music industry.

No disrespect meant re my Nas comments. I know he started out as a positive influence (Illmatic was an amazing record, all more for the fact of his age and it was his first) and he still makes statements that resonate like his recent statements re the killing of a student in Chicago. Jay Z wouldn't bother - after all, the kid wasn't powerful enough, was he?

I just can't believe that the Nas who smacked Jay Z with Ether and then just swatted away the Jay groupies like Memphis Bleek and the groupies on radio, the Nas who still makes sense with his interview in Source about Don Imus' racist comments, the Nas of other positivity, could sign with Jay Z

I don't believe it was about making an example of stopping rap beefs (well, maybe it was part of Nas' reasoning). But to sign with the man he knows just screws over everybody because he has the push from the white powers in the industry and those with dubious connections, the man who boasted about screwing his baby's mother in his car - I couldn't believe Nas would let himself be disrespected like that.

I pointed out that Nas was signalling like Jay Z before he signed to him but then again - Nas is into Africanology, into Black history, maybe he was just signalling the pyramid as denoted Black civilisation in Egypt. Of course all the bull# from white colonial archaeologists in the 19th and 20th centuries has worked to obscure the fact that much of Ancient Egypt was Black, the Sphinx and other monuments have African features, Abyssinia was a shining example of Black civilisation, and Hannibal was most likely Black.

I was interested to read about Fat Joe - he's always struck me as one of the good guys in hiphop. I read an article in XXL and was pleased to see how he educated the readership about his B Boy past from breakdancing to graffiti etc.

So my apologies for dismissing Nas - but I still am concerned that he is
part of that whole fraternity (to give it a broad term) you have to be part of to succeed in a big way in the music biz. As for Eminem - the guy has really got into it deep judging from his anguish on Relapse and that not faked turmoil. Interesting how he mentions Proof's death in a way that seems part of the bargain for his success.

I am not sure if I believe Professor Griff's blood sacrifice theory (that is a really controversial theory) but given the deaths of hiphop stars' friends and relatives it makes you wonder. Then again, people in the entertainment industry tend to know people who are leading fast lives etc so the chances of premature deaths are probably higher as is also the case with Blacks from the hoods.

DJ Am's death was a bit weird, too....

[font=Tahoma]Gotta say, I think that Jay-Z is far to clever for this kind of thing. As for Kanye, I think he is a bit of a follower; so if someone told him about this secret 'cool' society, he would be wanting to get into it. Not sure on Nas. aha![/font]

Originally posted by ATSRyan
[font=Tahoma]Gotta say, I think that Jay-Z is far to clever for this kind of thing. As for Kanye, I think he is a bit of a follower; so if someone told him about this secret 'cool' society, he would be wanting to get into it.

With all due respect, Jay Z has a deep involvement already with
those who run the entertainment industry including the music industry. Owners of companies such as Doug Morris also have big stakes in Hollywood, there are other big names I could mention. Think about this - NO Black person owns a record company. Not one of them. They are not going to.

Really controversial theories aside (blood sacrifices to get ahead as articulated by Professor Griff who actually is no nutcase but a very intelligent man with sources that are credible for other things he says)
Jay Z picked his side and screwed over his fellow Black businessmen and artists.

He could not have received the deals (Def Jam President, Roc Nation as well as a host of other privileges denied to artists who have been just as talented) without going with the powers that be and committing himself to their agenda.

Judging from the very deliberate occult propaganda that is becoming more and more apparent from him and his circle, the fraternity that is the powerful of the music/entertainment industry are into promulgating the whole will to power, step on the masses, spread images of dark deities associated traditionally with human sacrifices etc.

In one sense Jay Z has been clever. He dumped Damon Dash who may have had a prickly personality but also found the money so Jay Z could record his first album. Forget all the garbage about Jay Z making a small fortune from hustling - the people he served as a foot soldier for, selling bags of crack, have gone on record on Black radio shows such as DJ Kay Slay's to set the record straight. Damon Dash and a few drug bosses with real money funded Jay Z's career initially.

Jay Z's split with Dame was a calculated move to gain more from the white powers that run the industry. Professor Griff's views are highly controversial (the occult nature of these powers and the kind of occult they are into demand that blood be given in exchange for success in the music industry) but one thing rings true - Jay Z snitching to the powers that be about Dash/Suge Knight/Irv Gotti and Jay Prince, all Black music executives, secretly deciding to start their own music company. It is true - the Feds raided the last 3 named and virtually destroyed their financial bases and halted any momentum towards such a Black owned company. Dash got screwed over.

While the 4 Black executives mentioned had links with other Blacks involved in gangs, drugs etc (some of which were distant), it's significant
how selective the Feds were with these people. When they want to, they will put people away for 20 plus years on the word of somebody for intent to distribute x amount of drugs. Black people are serving such time on the word of an informer. Plenty of people, Black and white, could have been targeted instead of Suge etc.

Jay Z has boasted in his music time and again about shifting weight etc but has never faced a court on intent to/conspiracy to distribute drug charges although there is ample scope within the current laws to indict somebody based on information from years ago. Knowledgeable people within hiphop have said Jay Z is a snitch in the pocket of the powers that be.

The fact that he is likely bi or gay also points to another means by which he can be controlled. In hiphop the image of the worldly het who has women aplenty is crucial - Jay Z is one such rapper who has always gone to great lengths to present this image despite as people have noted, not really making women part of his world until Beyonce very publicly came along. If it's true it's just another thing the powers that be have on him.

Probably why he promoted Kanye so heavily too.

[edit on 7-10-2009 by dontbelievehype]

Supposedly the sign in Texas refers to sporting teams' mascots. Convenient for Bush if he really is referring to something other than sports. You have to keep in mind that this hand sign probably has a few real meanings, not just Satanic.

Jay-Z kanye 150% YES ABSOLUTELY

Don't know about Nas

if they were illuminati they wouldnt be working or performing to be making a living , they'd just rob us blind