Ron Paul exposed in the ABC debate!

I couldn't tell you how happy I am with the format of th ABC debate!

Ron Paul went with he's foreign policy thinking that the US is at fault for all the evil in this world and got absolutely smash by all debaters, it was so bad that the audience start laughing!

The debate is currently airing! Go and take a look.

[edit on 5-1-2008 by Bunch]

[edit on 5-1-2008 by Bunch]

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"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win" -Ghandi

I think that best sums it up.

Even if Paul doesn't get the nomination, he's sparked off a revolution in this country. We'll be seeing more and more 'Ron Paul Republicans' running for office. I know of one for sure running for the 56th Congressional District in Ohio. I'm positive there are more. Ron Paul's ideals resonate with a huge percentage of the American public. The message is out, and unlike the messengers--it can't be silenced.

They weren't laughing at Paul.

They were laughing at the faces that McCain was making at him.
McCain was making faces, Giuliani was laughing at him.
And just like any elementary School Cafeteria Scene, the rest of the
"students" thought it was hilarious.

Then Paul Schooled the Rinos, and the audience on Oil Prices, Gold Standard, Immigration.

I believe you might be upset that he absolutely OWNED the second half of the debate
That's because the other guys had to shut up for a change. LOL

From Doctor, to Professor..

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Couldn't watch the second half of the debate, but for what I saw he did horribly, I know many fans of him here will support him no matter what, but like I always stated, he is just an ordinary politician trying to get elected. Nothing more nothing less.

You missed some great stuff, Bunch.

I'm sure there will be some video available soon.
I'll post it, if I can find it.

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No worry, DVR baby!

Hopefully he expanded on how he's going to go about making all his platform happen!

That's my biggest thing with him.

What's interesting here, and what we tend to overlook most times, is our own inner biases. Whatever they are, or however unaware of them that we are, they truly impact the outcome of how we perceive each candidate. With the first televised Presidential debate between JFK & Nixon, these biases were clearly demonstrated. Those who listened on the radio said Nixon blew him away. Those that watched it said JFK blew him away. It's easier to listen to a good looking man, than someone of Nixon's stature.

As the process has evolved and the media coverage has exploded, it comes down to so much more than looks. The ever so crucial sound bites, body language, etc., all come into play.

It would be interesting to have a transcript of the whole debate, block out the names to who said what, and just read the transcript. Then see who we thought won, who did terrible, who fits our own agenda, etc.

What is said and what we hear are not always the same thing.

I know, I need to get a DVR too. My Satellite hardware is getting pretty old.

Anyway, this is the portion of the debate I was talking about.

I love the part about The comparison of Gold versus Oil..
You can buy the same amount of Oil now, as you could decades ago, with a given amount of gold.

It's a must watch, one of his best performances.

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That's is a pretty interesting thought C.

It will be awasome if that could be done, if only as a matter if experiment or something.

Thanks for that clip, Spacedoubt. I think that is the first time I can remember that I have heard someone in a presidential debate actually attempt to tell the truth without trying to spin it or sugarcoat it.

I think he's the right guy with the correct take on what path we, as a country need to be traveling, but sadly, I believe that if by some miracle he did actually get elected he would share the same fate of Presidents Lincoln and Kennedy, for much the same reasons. History clearly shows that the "Powers That Be" don't take it well when someone trys to change the rigged system that they have created, since fixing the system would take it out of their control.

The limited time I was able to view the debate I can say that I saw McCain/Romney attacking each other, the sniping that turns people off, at least me. Reminded me of Clinton and "depends on what the definition of IS...IS" Childish, and useless...

I caught the tail end of Rep. Paul answering a question then the moderator asked a very tough question, short silence, then the mod asked "anyone?", Paul raised his hand and answered the question that the others were obviously avoiding. I can't quite remember the exact question but I found it refreshing that Paul jumped right in and tackled the question.

I don't know yet if his answer was the right one but I can appreciate his straight forward desire to ANSWER a tough question, while the others wanted to attack each other.


The moderators dropped the ball when the sniping was going on, allowing it to continue for entertainment purposes IMO.

Paul did Great.
Even the joke about the youthfulness of himself, and Obama.. (They both have huge support from younger voters.)

If you watched the post debate coverage on FOX however. You would not even know that Ron Paul even participated.

Fox is REALLY living up to their reputation as nothing but SPIN, and Softcore Porn..I've never seen such denial of the existence of a viable candidate.
What are they afraid of? Reality?

I've used a similar analogy on the price of Oil BTW.

Did you know you can STILL buy a gallon of gas for 35 cents?
It's still possible to get one gallon of gas, with ONE DIME, and ONE QUARTER.



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Originally posted by spacedoubt
They weren't laughing at Paul.

They were laughing at the faces that McCain was making at him.
McCain was making faces, Giuliani was laughing at him.
And just like any elementary School Cafeteria Scene, the rest of the
"students" thought it was hilarious.

Our future leaders of America acting like spoiled brats and people wants to vote for these two clowns?

Not I..

McCanit and Goolianna the two class clowns.

Originally posted by spacedoubt

Fox is REALLY living up to their reputation as nothing but SPIN, and Softcore Porn..I've never seen such denial of the existence of a viable candidate.
What are they afraid of? Reality?

Softcore? Please explain I'm lost, everything else is on point

Did you know you can STILL buy a gallon of gas for 35 cents?

Where? I want a piece of that! Not that I don t believe, just that I can get rich of that, you know!

Ok,
The softcore porn.
You'll have to do a google video search for that. There are plenty of examples on youtube as well. It won't take you long to find it.
But. Short skirts, and low camera angles is part of it.
The other part is the video clips that accompany their yellow journalism stories.

The way to buy a gallon of Gas for 35 cents is pretty easy too.
Both the quarter, and the dime have to be minted in 1964 or earlier.
1964 was the last year those coins were made of precious metal (silver).

The Weight of the silver then, was worth 35 cents. (gas was 35 cents too)
The weight of the silver now? About 3 bucks, same as a gallon of go-juice.

Now, we just print paper.




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So the same administration with lots of connections to the oil industry (www.bbc.co.uk) not only invades an oil rich country but also borrows money and increases inflation to pay for the ongoing war leading to even higher fuel prices....and then try to push up the prices even higher by threatening another oil rich country?

Of course i'm only speculating out loud here....

....and people wonder why the message of Ron Paul is so popular!


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Seriously? "Free market is the most compassionate"? Every problem in the world is caused by welfare? I don't think he has nearly as strong a grasp on economic reality as his adherents think he does. "Poor brown workers bad, rich white investors good" seems to be about what he's getting at.

And yes I realize he makes no mention of race. Trick is, there's a lot of code phrasing he's using, intentionally or not.

[edit on 7-1-2008 by The Walking Fox]

if you mean he was exposed as a person that has a kung fu grip on the current state of things, then yes, you're entirely correct. =)

seriously, i fail to see what you're getting at. no i'm not a rabid ron paul zealot. while in my opinion he seems to be the most viable, i have no hate towards a few of the other candidates. on the other hand a few of them would seriously make me consider emigrating.

I don't think he ment the evil one of the whole world but I do agree that we should have never stuck our noses in middle eastern governments.

I can't believe Paul is getting beat by Guiliani in NH. I can't stand Guiliani especially when he talks. He would probably have us in a war in the first year or two if he was president.

Originally posted by an0maly33
...on the other hand a few of them would seriously make me consider emigrating.

Man, you and me both. I hear Switzerland is nice.