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Originally posted by Buck Division
The above post makes total sense to me, more than any other thing I've read in this thread so far.
All you have to do is take a look at America. Does anyone think it is okay to beat pregnant women? (I don't see anyone defending that here!)
America is a very tolerant place. However, I don't think any American will sit by and watch outrageous abuse of other human beings. In fact -- that is one reason we were motivated to go to Iraq (as misbegotten as that move was.)
The ONLY REASON this thread resonates with Americans is that we are completely OPPOSED to what these soldiers allegedly did (if it even happened at all!) If we didn't oppose it so much, and weren't offended by the notion that American would blindly accept atrocities -- there wouldn't be any real interest in this thread, nor half the discussion it has provoked so far.
Thanks Birchtree, for adding some real first-hand testimony to the debate.
While I was a subject in 1964, though I believed that I was hurting someone, I was totally unaware of why I was doing so. Few people ever realize when they are acting according to their own beliefs and when they are meekly submitting to authority . . . . To permit myself to be drafted with the understanding that I am submitting to authority's demand to do something very wrong would make me frightened of myself . . . . I am fully prepared to go to jail if I am not granted Conscientious Objector status. Indeed, it is the only course I could take to be faithful to what I believe. My only hope is that members of my board act equally according to their conscience . . . .
Originally posted by noangels
I think he brings up that vid because it shows the oposite to your vids,and that seems fair to me
No matter how many photos or vids you post showing marines handing our candy to children doesnt change the fact we have allowed a great wrong to have been done on the Iraqi people and so many have died from our wrong deed
Our brave boys shouldnt be fighting greedy old mens wars,their lifes are worth far more than those rancid dispicable monsters who wont spill their own blood for their country but are willing to pour the youth of america all over that scorched sand for religion and money
I respect you for your your love for your country,and also for your humanity that I have seen from your posts here.
You are a step above the flag waving blind muslim haters here who think the whole world is somehow jealous of America and think they have the GOD given right to do as they please!
I would rather see photos and vids of our soldiers at home with their families and loved one rather than over there being used as pawns for the big game ahead
Originally posted by undo
Originally posted by West Coast
You sir, have an agenda... You ignored my videos thus sleeping in your own bed of blissful ignorance.
It's because the person is stuck in THEY mode.
Truth is, THEY are not at fault. It's only about the guys who are actually in charge of this planet. No one group of people is responsible for anything.
We are all individuals.
Originally posted by coven
reply to post by golddragnet
Some of us prefer to look at the many positives performed by our military (and in our lives in general) than to focus on the minuscule amount of negative things they do (and that occur in life)... Forgive me for trying to embrace the brighter side of life... Maybe when you have kids (God I hope you don't with such a nihilistic perspective) your perspective on positive vs. negative will change for the better.
Embrace Life, Mourn the losses, move on and be a positive force in your world.
Originally posted by Harvestfreak
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[edit on 5-1-2008 by 12m8keall2c]
Originally posted by Impreza
Whether or not this is true, I don't know. I will say, however, that most American soldiers in Iraq are jerks. I have heard time and time again from people that I know in Iraq that the soldiers are abusive, rude, and show no respect to anyone.
It's not very surprising though that someone who lives in the richest country in the world chose to go to Iraq and kill people instead of getting an education. Most of the soldiers are ghetto trash and lack a good education, that's why they are so damn easy to be controlled and made to carry out dirty deeds by their officials.
[edit on 5-1-2008 by Impreza]