Originally posted by buddhasystem
Just occured to me that "single stage to orbit" is not the same as "reusable". I supposed you can have one stage in a rocket and still launch it (aren't most modern ICBMs this way?).

Von Braun's 1950s vision of near Earth space was one that included what amount to ICBMs going to space stations, emptying in the process, then being refuelled and sent on their way to the Moon or Mars for eventual breakdown as scrap, with space taxis taking people back down to the Earth. Soon after that he came up with what amounts to a space shuttle / space taxi and that cool looking nonaerodynamic Mars Mission main spacecraft - the nuclear one which is spheres stuck together.

ICBMs as quick and dirty spaceships is a great idea for cargo. I think that's what the semi commercial / semi military Athena series is for.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
I obviously have never flown the Shuttle (except a really cool 'sim' at the KSC Visitor's Center...it handled a little bit like a DC-10...) that tries to recreate the last five minutes or so, follow the HUD in the turn to Final and down the GlideSlope. Fun stuff, that!

Wow! That's cool! Were you on auto P whilst maneuvering into the landing funnel for your finals? Or were you on manual mode? If the latter, who ran the check lists for you??

Cheers!

Like so much Clarke stuff though that nearly worn out quote is great from a distance and less and less sensible the closer you get.

Sufficiently advanced technology might seem like magic but it doesn't remain that way for thinking humans. No matter the gap between the two cultures the less technological culture always finds a rational system in which to place the "alien" technology they encounter. Sometimes the less tech people get every single detail wrong and even the underlying basic natural philosophy wrong, but they still quickly place it within a cosmological and rational system. Even scientism is preferable to decadent credulity. And from scientism many cultures drift or evolve to scientific thought and then to duplication of the technology.

Anyway, not wanting to rant, I will leave it at that.

Or did the space shuttle Atlantis cancel because of near Earth asteroid TU24 due to pass close to Earth on 29 January 2008?

For more info go to neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news157,html

or

www.TU24.org

Originally posted by tep200377
Whould you please tell us how you know this?

Simple the emails....

Nah never mind went through all this before...

That's a pretty cryptic remark by FBE, I am in the dark on that one. Z, I have sent for help, this is my last post until he is zeroed in on me.

Yeah...

I had to giggle when I read even just the headline on this one. Thanks for the smile. And, while I'm not too familiar with Mr. Lear, his work or his claims, I gotta say I kinda feel sorry for the guy. To live such an ATS-centric life so as to believe that because he started a buzz here on this topic that it would affect NASA or any top secret government plans. That's just kinda sad don't you think? And if there were secret plans to hook up with the space station or anything else ... wouldn't they just send one of their top-secret ships that use the UFO tech. or something?

Originally posted by SpookshowJon To live such an ATS-centric life so as to believe that because he started a buzz here on this topic that it would affect NASA or any top secret government plans.

Well that 'believe' was founded on reality based on emails and other events that were documented here in other threads... Yes NASA is most definitely watching us

And if there were secret plans to hook up with the space station or anything else ... wouldn't they just send one of their top-secret ships that use the UFO tech. or something?

So I suppose all those secret DoD Missions the shuttle flew even BEFORE the ISS was there are all fiction to? You know the ones where the return weight was and still is CLASSIFIED?

So just what DID they bring back? And from WHERE?



And seeing as everyone missed the fact that the AF had to scramble to get their secret NRO satellite launched after the postponement... just exactly what WAS the rush to get it up there so fast? Surely another month or so would not have been critical?

Glad we could amuse you... just keep on sniffing that laughing gas they feed you

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
I have absolutely no doubt that our government has at least an experimental craft that can achieve LEO using a single stage method.

Now cut that out... you know the rules... no teasing the Lemmings without a few reams of proof and several photos

But feel free to drop by skunk works anytime for a cup of coffee and we can swap 'stories'

Zorgon ... if that is your real name ... didn't mean to offend. I just find it laughable the things the government can be accused of ... then hear that a few thousand (at best for this particular forum/topic) ATS posters can miraculously throw off the governments big secret agenda ... based on some emails and such?

Look my friend, I believe a lot of things I read ... especially on here where facts are actually proven ... but this one ... to me ... it's just absurd. Mr. Lear may be "famous" here on this site and a few more like it ... a couple million people around the world might know his name ... but even if he had access to every secret the government had to give up ... he wouldn't be able to affect anyone of them in any way ... as much as I myself might wish it otherwise. We just are not that important. Maybe someday we will, but proclaiming things like this are just self defeating to the entire cause of truth. IMHO this honestly sounds as far out as I have seen on ATS ... and we all now how far out that is.

As a believer in many things ... an ATS reader many years ... later, a member ... and someone unfamiliar with Mr. Lear, I plan to learn a little more in the near future. Until then, this believer just doen't believe it. The hype is self made and that's not a good thing.

Originally posted by SpookshowJon
Zorgon ... if that is your real name ...

Well... it is in some circles

didn't mean to offend.

None taken

ATS posters can miraculously throw off the governments big secret agenda ... based on some emails and such?

Perhaps just a slight change in plans based on 'public opinion'

but proclaiming things like this are just self defeating to the entire cause of truth.

Well perhaps you could point me to some true soldiers in this cause of truth, because quite frankly I do not see any... I myself am on a quest for answers... pretty much have discovered that absolute truth doesn't exist and is merely relative to our frame of reference...

Perhaps "The Secret" is right and we influence the matrix more than we thik

space shuttles and all of the modern space travel equipment that the public knows about is a joke.

There are many things that go amiss when you HIGHLIGHT what they are doing, then it isolates worldwide attention on what dark missions are going down without mankinds knowing.

Zorgon! what is the latest on this? give us the skinny will ya? You're still in touch with John, he won't answer my emails!!