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reply posted on 7-1-2008 @ 03:35 PM by tep200377
Originally posted by tezzajw
NAZI is not a swear word, get over it. It has a historical context and to ignore it would be to repeat the lessons learned from it.


Nazism or National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus) refers primarily to the ideology and practices of the Nazi Party under Adolf Hitler; and the policies adopted by the government of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945, a period also known as the Third Reich.

I really don't know how you can associate NAZI with NASA no matter how you twist and turn the stories

What has NASA done to deserve any special treatment of decorum? As an institution, they have told lies to the public, whos tax dollars support their very existence.


In addition to the space program, it is also responsible for long-term civilian and military aerospace research. In other words, very much of the worlds common transport systems in the air. Not only space my friend.

But offcourse, there are other agencies that have done a great deal to, but NASA has done most of the dirty work.

If you think NASA is a bunch of lying loosers, then you might be considered as a mighty ignorant person.

NASA is a smokescreen operation for the military. It doesn't deserve any respect for the contempt that it shows towards the general public. If NASA act like NAZIs in the way that the control information, then John has every right to call it NAZA! The word fits perfectly.


Where do you get this information from? Or is this your humble opinion?

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reply posted on 7-1-2008 @ 03:35 PM by buddhasystem
Originally posted by tezzajw
Originally posted by buddhasystem
So facing the facts, you admit that you lied in this thread?

You have to be very careful when you state that someone has lied, Buddhasystem. That's a potential red-flag warning for calling someone a liar. I know, I've had one before.


You seem to be bullying me here, but let's get on with the subject matter:

John was confused (as I was) when you typed NAZI instead of NAZA.


He was? Really? He wrote:

I don't use the word NAZI.


I don't detect any signs of confusion in that statement. It's plain denial, no overtones. Let's look at earlier posts from John:

Originally posted by johnlear
the NAZTY NAZA NAZI'S took full control of the space program


Originally posted by johnlear
Most if not all current instrumentation in Nazty NAZA NAZI's spacecraft is falsified


Don't you think that if you pepper your posts so generously with a universally hated symbol, you'd have some recollection of it? Especially if you went to all the trouble of inventing a new word with same meaning, "NAZTY"?

Originally posted by tezzajw
NAZI is not a swear word, get over it. It has a historical context and to ignore it would be to repeat the lessons learned from it.


Indeed, so you as well want to liken NASA to the Nazi party, as part of the "historical context" of this word? What kind of charade is that?


As an institution, they have told lies to the public, whos tax dollars support their very existence.


They've had a bad episode or two, but frankly, you seem to be subscribing to a host of conspiracy theories that have absolutely no proof, such as this ridiculous "secret station docking" business -- and on basis of this you go as far as to accuse them of systematic lying... Beats me.

If NASA act like NAZIs in the way that the control information, then John has every right to call it NAZA!


You seem to have no respect for history. To trivialize nazism to that degree is quite weird, I must say.


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reply posted on 7-1-2008 @ 03:58 PM by noangels
From Nazis to NASA: The Life of Wernher Von Braun

www.amazon.co.uk...=cm_rdp_product

I am sure John is cheekly poking fun at NASA for its History,if you want to see anything else in it then thats your choice.

Do you work for NASA?Not implying you do by any means,but I am a little lost by your continual onslaught here on something so trivial.

Cant you leave him alone?


reply posted on 7-1-2008 @ 04:32 PM by Extralien
Von Braun is well known as the leader of what has been called the “rocket team” which developed the V–2 ballistic missile for the Nazis during World War II. The V–2s were manufactured at a forced labor factory called Mittelwerk. Scholars are still reassessing his role in these controversial activities.

history.msfc.nasa.gov...

Von Braun's relationship to the Nazi Party is complex; although he was not an ardent Nazi, he did hold rank as an SS officer. His relationship to slave labor is likewise complicated, for his distance from direct responsibility for the use of slave labor must be balanced by the fact that he was aware of its use and the conditions under which prisoners labored.

The question of what to do with German technicians in American custody was laden with political, military, and moral overtones. Some feared that allowing them to continue their research might allow for a rebirth of German militarism.

history.msfc.nasa.gov...

von Braun engineered the surrender of 500 of his top rocket scientists, along with plans and test vehicles, to the Americans.

history.msfc.nasa.gov...

NASA's veneration of Nazi old-timers deserves renewed scrutiny. In 1969, NASA's Distinguished Service Award went to Arthur Rudolph for his work as project director of the Saturn V moon rocket. When he left the country in 1984 rather than face charges as a Nazi war criminal, Rudolph and the Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations signed an agreement.

Elizabeth Holtzman, who drafted the law allowing the government to deport Nazis, wrote in a telegram to Reagan, "It is a disgrace for an American medal to remain in the hands of this bestial killer."

"it clearly does not protect Rudolph's distinguished science award as I had been led to believe by the NASA general counsel's testimony."

Von Braun's own admissions in U.S. Army records show that the man NASA touts as a hero was an S.S. major who frequently visited the underground rocket factory where a black American flyer and 25,000 other prisoners from the concentration camp Dora died. During one visit, according to documents shown on CNN, von Braun attended a meeting that discussed rounding up citizens off the streets of France to be brought to Dora.

writing.upenn.edu...

In 1994, Carl Sagan wrote in his book, "Pale Blue Dot", Apollo was not mainly about science. It was not even mainly about space. Apollo was about ideological confrontation and nuclear war.

ARTHUR RUDOLPH OF DORA AND NASA
By Linda Hunt

On the hill was the huge cavelike entrance to the factory; 6,000 bodies covered the ground as far as the eye could see. Rows upon rows of skin-covered skeletons were frozen solid in grotesque shapes, bearing bruises and wounds from beatings. "They had been starved to death,"

There is no monument to Dora - Americans do not wish to be reminded of what Jean Michel said about the day that U.S. astronauts first walked on the moon: "I could not watch the Apollo mission without remembering that that triumphant walk was made possible by our initiation to inconceivable horror."

cndyorks.gn.apc.org...

Shall I go on with our little history lesson or can we continue with the topic that this thread is about instead of some of us coming here to read new posts only to find a slanging match going on and with no further useful chat or information relating to the topic.

Please show a bit more open mindedness to all that wants or needs to be said, if not for us then do it for the poor 6000+ people that died so we could glorify our space missions, which we as a global society are now all a major part of.

Thank you for your patience.



reply posted on 7-1-2008 @ 05:58 PM by buddhasystem
Originally posted by noangels
I am sure John is cheekly poking fun at NASA for its History,if you want to see anything else in it then thats your choice.


Indeed this is my choice and looking how John is inserting the Nazi word three times in a row in a single post, and peppering it over whole threads, I respectfully hold that there is more than "cheekly poking fun". It certainly looks like reductio ad Nazium which is explained in that link:

en.wikipedia.org...

This is done with the purpose to try and undermine NASA's credibility by association with unsavory entities like the Nazis.

Do you work for NASA? Not implying you do by any means,but I am a little lost by your continual onslaught here on something so trivial.


I know a few people who work or have worked for this organization. In my experience, they are of sterling character. As to the "triviality" of that smear campaign, I beg to differ.

Cant you leave him alone?


That's always an option, I suppose. I guess you could ask John to leave NASA alone, as well.


reply posted on 7-1-2008 @ 06:55 PM by antar
reply to post by IgnoreTheFacts



I may not be as special as you as I have no friends at nasa, however wake up from your dream state and smell the coffee!
At one time I was given a space shuttle mission pin because of my enthusiasm for the shuttle program.
That was then and this is now. I am so discouraged with the cover ups and the disinformation and the outright withholding of information on the part of nasa. It is criminal.
You need not take anything said personal like people are calling your friends nazis. Unless they are the ones calling the shots. No one called the Astronauts nazis either. Or the receptionist, janitor,or restroom attendants. Don't try to start manipulating this thread with your half truths and negativity.
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