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posted on Jan, 7 2008 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
Sorry BS I thought that when you said:


And I would request that you stop using the word NAZI (sometimes, multiple times in a single post) when referring to the National Aeronautics and Space Administration of the United States.


you were refering specifically to the my use of the word NAZA.


I'll have to quote you, John, once again:

NAZTY NAZA NAZI


You said you didn't use the word NAZI when referring to NASA, and yet you in fact did. I'll have to chalk it up to the "Lies" section. The word "NAZA" goes to "Silly innuendos", similar to purposely misspelling your last name as a "Liar".



In any case your request is denied with prejudice.


So is yours.


Thanks for the post.


You, too.




posted on Jan, 7 2008 @ 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by buddhasystem




You said you didn't use the word NAZI when referring to NASA, and yet you in fact did. I'll have to chalk it up to the "Lies" section. The word "NAZA" goes to "Silly innuendos", similar to purposely misspelling your last name as a "Liar".


I admit to using NAZA, NAZI, Nazty NAZA NAZI's and will continue to do so.

And just a heads up BS, when it warms up outside I won't be able to play games with you as much as I have a lot of work to do but its too cold outside for me right now.

The only reason I mention this is I didn't want you to think you'll have John Lear to kick around forever.


Thanks for the post.



posted on Jan, 7 2008 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
I admit to using NAZA, NAZI, Nazty NAZA NAZI's and will continue to do so.


So facing the facts, you admit that you lied in this thread? And you also admit that you refuse to extend a modicum of decorum towards the National Aeronautics and Space Administration? Do you then admit that you are quite willingly engaging in the reductio ad Nazium, which, we are told,

is a variety of both questionable cause and association fallacy



when it warms up outside I won't be able to play games with you


Flow my tears.


Thanks for the post.


All the best to you, John.



posted on Jan, 7 2008 @ 01:55 PM
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Hi John,
If I’m honest, I don’t totally agree that the shuttle launch was delayed due to the scrutiny created here on ATS, but I do think there is more than meets the eye to this though.

Can I ask your opinion on why the military still uses the NASA and the shuttle to launch their satellites and other space based tech into space, when they have the means to do it themselves?

Also, surely the military launching their own stuff works out cheaper than an all out shuttle launch?




posted on Jan, 7 2008 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by ukmicky1980
Hi John,
If I’m honest, I don’t totally agree that the shuttle launch was delayed due to the scrutiny created here on ATS, but I do think there is more than meets the eye to this though.

Can I ask your opinion on why the military still uses the NASA and the shuttle to launch their satellites and other space based tech into space, when they have the means to do it themselves?

Also, surely the military launching their own stuff works out cheaper than an all out shuttle launch?



The military has not used the shuttle for a launch for quite some time. The Delta series of boosters is cheaper to launch, and usually is more available.



posted on Jan, 7 2008 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by ukmicky1980





Can I ask your opinion on why the military still uses the NASA and the shuttle to launch their satellites and other space based tech into space, when they have the means to do it themselves?


Thanks for the post ukmickey. There is no difference between 'military', 'NAZA', 'DOD', Pentagon. It is all the same.

It is all an interwoven, tightly connected, incestuous, Military-Industrial complex.

Thanks for the post.



posted on Jan, 7 2008 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
There is no difference between 'military', 'NAZA', 'DOD', Pentagon. It is all the same.


At least the last two entries seem to be:


"the Pentagon" is often used metonymically to refer to the Department of Defense


I found a partially true statement! hallelujah!



[edit on 7-1-2008 by buddhasystem]



posted on Jan, 7 2008 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
Thanks for the post ukmickey. There is no difference between 'military', 'NAZA', 'DOD', Pentagon. It is all the same.
It is all an interwoven, tightly connected, incestuous, Military-Industrial complex.

Then what do you think of the people who are part of it? The same ones who give you the right to say the things you get to say?



posted on Jan, 7 2008 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by buddhasystem
So facing the facts, you admit that you lied in this thread?

You have to be very careful when you state that someone has lied, Buddhasystem. That's a potential red-flag warning for calling someone a liar. I know, I've had one before.

John was confused (as I was) when you typed NAZI instead of NAZA.

NAZI is not a swear word, get over it. It has a historical context and to ignore it would be to repeat the lessons learned from it.


Buddhasystem
And you also admit that you refuse to extend a modicum of decorum towards the National Aeronautics and Space Administration?

What has NASA done to deserve any special treatment of decorum? As an institution, they have told lies to the public, whos tax dollars support their very existence.

NASA is a smokescreen operation for the military. It doesn't deserve any respect for the contempt that it shows towards the general public. If NASA act like NAZIs in the way that the control information, then John has every right to call it NAZA! The word fits perfectly.



posted on Jan, 7 2008 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by tezzajw
You have to be very careful when you state that someone has lied,


Having said that....I wonder if you can support the following in some way? Heh? Particularly since you have used a very broad brush in the accusation.


As an institution, they have told lies to the public, whos tax dollars support their very existence.


The use of the childish term "NAZA", rather than exhibit some maturity and stick with "NASA", is trollish behavior and only posted in order to annoy people. Coming from a Jewish heritage, I find it disgusting, and a clear reason for having zero respect for the poster.

Actually, NASA scrubbed the launch on my say so......that's right, I said it....now prove me wrong.



posted on Jan, 7 2008 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by tezzajw
NAZI is not a swear word, get over it. It has a historical context and to ignore it would be to repeat the lessons learned from it.


Nazism or National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus) refers primarily to the ideology and practices of the Nazi Party under Adolf Hitler; and the policies adopted by the government of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945, a period also known as the Third Reich.

I really don't know how you can associate NAZI with NASA no matter how you twist and turn the stories


What has NASA done to deserve any special treatment of decorum? As an institution, they have told lies to the public, whos tax dollars support their very existence.


In addition to the space program, it is also responsible for long-term civilian and military aerospace research. In other words, very much of the worlds common transport systems in the air. Not only space my friend.

But offcourse, there are other agencies that have done a great deal to, but NASA has done most of the dirty work.

If you think NASA is a bunch of lying loosers, then you might be considered as a mighty ignorant person.


NASA is a smokescreen operation for the military. It doesn't deserve any respect for the contempt that it shows towards the general public. If NASA act like NAZIs in the way that the control information, then John has every right to call it NAZA! The word fits perfectly.


Where do you get this information from? Or is this your humble opinion?

[edit on 7-1-2008 by tep200377]



posted on Jan, 7 2008 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by buddhasystem
So facing the facts, you admit that you lied in this thread?

You have to be very careful when you state that someone has lied, Buddhasystem. That's a potential red-flag warning for calling someone a liar. I know, I've had one before.


You seem to be bullying me here, but let's get on with the subject matter:


John was confused (as I was) when you typed NAZI instead of NAZA.


He was? Really? He wrote:


I don't use the word NAZI.


I don't detect any signs of confusion in that statement. It's plain denial, no overtones. Let's look at earlier posts from John:


Originally posted by johnlear
the NAZTY NAZA NAZI'S took full control of the space program



Originally posted by johnlear
Most if not all current instrumentation in Nazty NAZA NAZI's spacecraft is falsified


Don't you think that if you pepper your posts so generously with a universally hated symbol, you'd have some recollection of it? Especially if you went to all the trouble of inventing a new word with same meaning, "NAZTY"?


Originally posted by tezzajw
NAZI is not a swear word, get over it. It has a historical context and to ignore it would be to repeat the lessons learned from it.


Indeed, so you as well want to liken NASA to the Nazi party, as part of the "historical context" of this word? What kind of charade is that?



As an institution, they have told lies to the public, whos tax dollars support their very existence.


They've had a bad episode or two, but frankly, you seem to be subscribing to a host of conspiracy theories that have absolutely no proof, such as this ridiculous "secret station docking" business -- and on basis of this you go as far as to accuse them of systematic lying... Beats me.


If NASA act like NAZIs in the way that the control information, then John has every right to call it NAZA!


You seem to have no respect for history. To trivialize nazism to that degree is quite weird, I must say.


[edit on 7-1-2008 by buddhasystem]



posted on Jan, 7 2008 @ 03:58 PM
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From Nazis to NASA: The Life of Wernher Von Braun

www.amazon.co.uk...=cm_rdp_product

I am sure John is cheekly poking fun at NASA for its History,if you want to see anything else in it then thats your choice.

Do you work for NASA?Not implying you do by any means,but I am a little lost by your continual onslaught here on something so trivial.

Cant you leave him alone?



posted on Jan, 7 2008 @ 04:31 PM
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Thank you noangels, I just jumping at the chance to point that out.

Everyone knows that NAZA would not be the big lying smokescreen that it is today if it wasn't for Scientists and Physicists like "Wernher Von Braun" that where former Nazis.

The name NAZA is also appropriate because of their behavior as of late. You know, dictating what we can and cannot look at and stuff like that.

On the other hand, NAZA's Scientists are the ones that are doing the most about trying to get good data out into the public that dispute the outright lies about Global Warming.



posted on Jan, 7 2008 @ 04:32 PM
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Von Braun is well known as the leader of what has been called the “rocket team” which developed the V–2 ballistic missile for the Nazis during World War II. The V–2s were manufactured at a forced labor factory called Mittelwerk. Scholars are still reassessing his role in these controversial activities.

history.msfc.nasa.gov...


Von Braun's relationship to the Nazi Party is complex; although he was not an ardent Nazi, he did hold rank as an SS officer. His relationship to slave labor is likewise complicated, for his distance from direct responsibility for the use of slave labor must be balanced by the fact that he was aware of its use and the conditions under which prisoners labored.

The question of what to do with German technicians in American custody was laden with political, military, and moral overtones. Some feared that allowing them to continue their research might allow for a rebirth of German militarism.

history.msfc.nasa.gov...


von Braun engineered the surrender of 500 of his top rocket scientists, along with plans and test vehicles, to the Americans.

history.msfc.nasa.gov...


NASA's veneration of Nazi old-timers deserves renewed scrutiny. In 1969, NASA's Distinguished Service Award went to Arthur Rudolph for his work as project director of the Saturn V moon rocket. When he left the country in 1984 rather than face charges as a Nazi war criminal, Rudolph and the Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations signed an agreement.

Elizabeth Holtzman, who drafted the law allowing the government to deport Nazis, wrote in a telegram to Reagan, "It is a disgrace for an American medal to remain in the hands of this bestial killer."

"it clearly does not protect Rudolph's distinguished science award as I had been led to believe by the NASA general counsel's testimony."

Von Braun's own admissions in U.S. Army records show that the man NASA touts as a hero was an S.S. major who frequently visited the underground rocket factory where a black American flyer and 25,000 other prisoners from the concentration camp Dora died. During one visit, according to documents shown on CNN, von Braun attended a meeting that discussed rounding up citizens off the streets of France to be brought to Dora.

writing.upenn.edu...


In 1994, Carl Sagan wrote in his book, "Pale Blue Dot", Apollo was not mainly about science. It was not even mainly about space. Apollo was about ideological confrontation and nuclear war.

ARTHUR RUDOLPH OF DORA AND NASA
By Linda Hunt

On the hill was the huge cavelike entrance to the factory; 6,000 bodies covered the ground as far as the eye could see. Rows upon rows of skin-covered skeletons were frozen solid in grotesque shapes, bearing bruises and wounds from beatings. "They had been starved to death,"

There is no monument to Dora - Americans do not wish to be reminded of what Jean Michel said about the day that U.S. astronauts first walked on the moon: "I could not watch the Apollo mission without remembering that that triumphant walk was made possible by our initiation to inconceivable horror."

cndyorks.gn.apc.org...

Shall I go on with our little history lesson or can we continue with the topic that this thread is about instead of some of us coming here to read new posts only to find a slanging match going on and with no further useful chat or information relating to the topic.

Please show a bit more open mindedness to all that wants or needs to be said, if not for us then do it for the poor 6000+ people that died so we could glorify our space missions, which we as a global society are now all a major part of.

Thank you for your patience.



posted on Jan, 7 2008 @ 04:47 PM
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I also completely and 100% agree with the following statement.





There is no difference between 'military', 'NAZA', 'DOD', Pentagon. It is all the same.

It is all an interwoven, tightly connected, incestuous, Military-Industrial complex.



posted on Jan, 7 2008 @ 05:19 PM
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I love how this thread has degenerated to NAZA no NAZA thread and another blatant attack on John to derail the possible commentaries on the interesting OP.

So where do we go from here? Is it possible that some of the plans at NAZA have been thwarted by comments made here on the forum? I think it is entirely plausible.

I have also wondered just what effect ats has on certain bureaucratic agencies that strive to gain information from serious sites like this one.

Just wondering also does anyone actually recall anything other than this instance that John proposes in the OP where change has taken place after the dis-informed information is brought to light other than the usual ?

I mean to say that if no one ever sought to bring to light issues like UFO/Alien conspiracies or the truth behind John F. Kennedy's assassination or 911, we would all still be sitting blankly in front of our TVs watching reruns of the Honeymooners and trusting ABC,CBS,NBC and Fox type stations for truth in broadcasting.



posted on Jan, 7 2008 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by noangels
I am sure John is cheekly poking fun at NASA for its History,if you want to see anything else in it then thats your choice.


Indeed this is my choice and looking how John is inserting the Nazi word three times in a row in a single post, and peppering it over whole threads, I respectfully hold that there is more than "cheekly poking fun". It certainly looks like reductio ad Nazium which is explained in that link:

en.wikipedia.org...

This is done with the purpose to try and undermine NASA's credibility by association with unsavory entities like the Nazis.


Do you work for NASA? Not implying you do by any means,but I am a little lost by your continual onslaught here on something so trivial.


I know a few people who work or have worked for this organization. In my experience, they are of sterling character. As to the "triviality" of that smear campaign, I beg to differ.


Cant you leave him alone?


That's always an option, I suppose. I guess you could ask John to leave NASA alone, as well.



posted on Jan, 7 2008 @ 06:27 PM
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posted on Jan, 7 2008 @ 06:55 PM
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I may not be as special as you as I have no friends at nasa, however wake up from your dream state and smell the coffee!
At one time I was given a space shuttle mission pin because of my enthusiasm for the shuttle program.
That was then and this is now. I am so discouraged with the cover ups and the disinformation and the outright withholding of information on the part of nasa. It is criminal.
You need not take anything said personal like people are calling your friends nazis. Unless they are the ones calling the shots. No one called the Astronauts nazis either. Or the receptionist, janitor,or restroom attendants. Don't try to start manipulating this thread with your half truths and negativity.






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