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Alberta home invader killed

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posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 05:16 AM
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Alberta home invader killed


cnews.canoe.ca

And murder charges could be pending against the 35-year-old man renting the acreage home, who, along with his girlfriend, was jarred awake at 3:30 a.m. when the two men burst into the bedroom after forcibly entering the residence through a side door.
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posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 05:16 AM
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Well, I guess this is Canada's version of defending your home.


While the resident's 24-year-old girlfriend was not hurt, the man suffered injuries while warding off his attackers and was in stable condition. He could also face homicide charges pending the outcome of an RCMP investigation.


I know if someone broke into my house at 3 am, I would certainly do everything in my power to disable them and protect my family.






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posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 05:23 AM
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For some reason I couldn't add 'Related Links' to my post, so here they are

Two dead, One Injured

And this one....

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posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 05:33 AM
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The laws of nature existed long before the laws of man, and will remain long after man is gone. It is a natural reaction to protect oneself and loved ones. I cannot see how anyone in their right mind would charge this man of any crime. Maybe the police in Alberta should hire a team of psychics and learn to fight pre-crime if they will permit none self-defense.



posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 05:47 AM
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I found this interesting.


Canada's Criminal Code authorizes people to use the amount of force necessary to protect themselves and their property.

However, the law stresses such force should not be used to cause death or grievous bodily harm.



It was my understanding (which was obviously wrong), that you were permitted to use whatever force was deemed necessary to protect yourself from intruders in your home/property.

I don't think I would have the foresight to concerned with how much harm I am bringing to my attackers. Nor would I care.



posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 06:00 AM
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I am so glad I live in the United States where we can legally shoot and kill scumbags that break into our homes..neighbor's homes...even when they are running away....God bless America!!

How can that poor man be tried for homicie for simply defending his family? do you think that the scumbags would have tried to hurt him but not kill him if they could? do you think they would abide by the Canadian law that says "you can defend your home and property but you can't kill while doing it"
what a freaking joke!!

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posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 06:58 AM
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However, the law stresses such force should not be used to cause death or grievous bodily harm.





So if I have a bat in my closet and (in Canada) and I use it to crack an intruder over the head with I can only hit him hard enough to reverse time and prevent his intrusion but not hard enough to cause any hemorrhaging or fractures that could lead to his death?

The true North strong and free all right.



posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 07:14 AM
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Frankly, I agree with most in this thread, I think Canada's self defence laws need to be re-evaluated. While in the middle of a scuffle where you think you are fighting for your life, the last thought on your mind is the welfare of the attackers.



posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 07:35 AM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere


So if I have a bat in my closet and (in Canada) and I use it to crack an intruder over the head with I can only hit him hard enough to reverse time and prevent his intrusion but not hard enough to cause any hemorrhaging or fractures that could lead to his death?

The true North strong and free all right.


This is why I have mase instead of a bat.



posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 07:39 AM
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You mean mace? Like the spray or the giant spiked club?

I've seen more than one guy just ignore mace like it was a splash of lemon air freshener. Even that sticky foam stuff so I wouldn't be trusting my life to atomized cheyenne powder.

Though maybe in Canada they don't have meth or PCP addicts or psychotics running around like we do here in gun wavin' New Haven. Mace is like Binaca to them.


apc

posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 07:40 AM
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I think a lot of stuff in Canada needs to be revaluated.

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posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 07:49 AM
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You mean Cayenne? like the pepper or Cheyenne like the native American?



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posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 08:06 AM
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After reading the article it seems that the 2 intruders knew the people who were in the apartment, police said they haven't found any links to organized crime or drugs. I can't say I condone the killing of another human being but if I woke up in at 3am to find 2 men in the room then you're left with no choice but to fight like a crazed dog.



posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by Dont Hate Rats
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You mean Cayenne? like the pepper or Cheyenne like the native American?



[edit on 4-1-2008 by Dont Hate Rats]




I don't know. Maybe a spray of atomized Indians would be more powerful than the pepper.


Get some tiny war party action right in the eyes!



posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 08:52 AM
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I don't believe this man should be charged with murder. It certainly looks like self-defense.

In recent years, it's seems that it's become illegal to defend yourself from those who'd slit your throat for a dime.



posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 09:09 AM
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It's not defending yourself that's become illegal. It's doubting the governing (taxing) bodies ability to protect you in the fashion it deems best for you that's become illegal.

Never question the authority/taxing/governing body. Always trust it with your life from health care to policing. And remember that no matter how they may seem to screw up or how poorly trained they might appear from time to time they are always infinitely superior to poor schlubs like me and you.

Government can have guns. We cant. Government can defend itself. We cant. Government can extort money. We cant. Government is the new god and if they decide to prosecute this guy for "defending himself" then obviously he is in the wrong and government is in the right.

It's not illegal to defend yourself. It's illegal to make government look like anything less than divine holy perfection.

Where I am people constantly tell me I don't need to carry a pistol because the police will protect me. Well, that's a little like "though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I shall fear no evil" bit isn't it? Because government is my shepherd.

If you have to call a cop it's already too late.



posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 09:18 AM
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I just feel the need to clarify some things. This does not appear to be a standard home invasion.

From OP source

The other would-be robber, a 27-year-old man, fled the house with stab wounds shortly after the invasion went awry.



Although they couldn't say whether the bandits were armed when they arrived at the home -- or what types of weapons were used in the ensuing struggle with the man living there -- Mounties said the residence was not randomly hit.

"We do know that the assailants and the victims were known to each other," said Neely.

"This was a specific incident with a specific target in mind."




But, Neely said the reasons behind the botched invasion are still unclear.

"At this point we have no connection to gangs or drugs," she said.

"We have no ties to any criminal activity as of yet."



We're investigating into the circumstances of the whole situation and that will determine whether or not there is a possibility of charges," he said.


While everyone is bashing the Canadian court system, it seems to me like they're doing their job. It looks like they're actually investigating the incident instead of just writing it off as a simple invasion so they can make the case go from red to black.

No one wants to ask why these two otherwise non criminals invaded the home? No one wants to know why these people were targeted, and why the house wasn't robbed?



posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 09:24 AM
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It doesn't matter why they invaded the home. Unless there is some elaborate 1980's action movie plot about a kidnapping and police corruption and these two guys being the victims last hope and Chow Yun Fat is involved there is no justification for breaking into somebody's home.

I don't care if it's my best friend or my father, if somebody is in my home uninvited I'm reacting the IDPA way and taking him out.

Take note and don't plan any surprise parties for me.



posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Where I am people constantly tell me I don't need to carry a pistol because the police will protect me. Well, that's a little like "though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I shall fear no evil" bit isn't it? Because government is my shepherd.

If you have to call a cop it's already too late.

I grew up in Ct., and I wouldn't walk around New Haven without a pistola, either.

I would not for a second consider the legal ramifications of attacking an intruder in my home. Much better to be alive for your trial then to be dead for the intruder's trial.



posted on Jan, 4 2008 @ 09:48 AM
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I disagree. I think it's very important to ask 'why'.

There could be a million different reasons for this happening, and to write it off before any investigation is silly. If we could take every crime at face value, we wouldn't need detectives would we?

Lets see what all of the facts are, then decide. This is most likely what the RCMP is going to do.

Maybe they were invited over? We don't know yet.




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