A letter from a Norwegian politician (2012), page 2
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reply posted on 4-1-2008 @ 03:08 PM by Areal51
It's not the first time I've heard of seed vaults for doomsday precautions. Somebody, somewhere, thinks that something is likely to happen sometime soon. Part of the reason for those seeds vaults, in addition to nuclear holocaust and natural catastrophe, is the uncertainty surrounding transgenic seeds. That is, seeds that have been genetically modified by biotechnology firms. Asian governments, in addition to Norway, are storing seeds in an attempt to keep the natural ones separated from the genetically modified ones. And there's a very real fear that those governments are not really sure if they've been successful with keeping suspect seeds out. Obviously, in that business, they want to keep healthy supplies of natural seeds just in case the genetically modified ones turn out to be dangerous and/or failures.

Anyway, the 2012 date may portend man-made calamities that have to do with genetically modified foods as well just as much as nuclear war. Even if the 2012 date is nothing but baloney, it's clear that many of the world's governments are afraid that something tremendously bad is likely to happen in the next decade or so. I mean, they are taking precautions as evidenced by the bunkers that we can verify. And if they are really worried about the food supply becoming contaminated due to men playing God, then that's just about enough isn't it? I mean, do we need more excuses to expect danger when we can do basic math and research to verify that the world's natural food supply may be in jeopardy due to contamination from transgenic organisms? Global warming? Well that won't matter much if a man-made ecological disaster occurs, whereby large portions of the food chain are decimated or completely destroyed. Definitely don't hear about this stuff on the 6'oclock news. Especially when considering the magnitude of genetically modified food in production in the United States.

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reply posted on 4-1-2008 @ 03:40 PM by kozmo
Ok... I didn't want to... I really didn't but now I just can't take it anymore and I have to drop my 2 cents.

First of all, If Niburu or Planet X or whatever existed it would have been spotted by now. This nonsense about it being hidden by the sun is bullocks. We orbit the sun, ergo we see every side of it at least once per year. I cannot be convinced that said planet is playing hide-n-seek like children behind trees. Next, if this were a Brown dwarf or some other astrolnomical anomoly it also would be seen. Same reasons as stated previously.

Next, let's just pretend (For the fun of it anyway) that there was some Planet X and the government knew and there was a giant conspiracy with millions of people in on it because they were going to be saved by keeping quiet and that they were building millions upon millions of square feet of underground, hidden bunkers and the public was completely oblivious to all of this. Now let's make believe that Planet X was really going to collide with the Earth. Oh, this is fun!

Ok, now, unless this Planet X was travelling at incredible speeds we would see it for probably at least a few weeks before impact. It would begin to become so HUGE in the sky that NO ONE would be keeping anything secret. Millions of individuals moving into underground bunkers would likely draw a whole heap of attention from the "Surface dwellers" as well which likely wouldn't bode too well for those trying to sneak underground. Additionally, the gravitational affect that said planet would have on Earth would likely cause changes in the atmosphere and environment that would probably kill just about everyone before impact. Tidal waves thousands of feet high would sweep for over one hundred miles inland. Earthquakes would beset the planet making a 10 on the richter scale seem like a baby shaking a rattle. BUT... lets keep pretending cuz it's fun...

Let's pretend that those select elite people made it into their shelters before the planet was struck - if the tidal waves haven't flooded their bunkers, then the earthquakes would have shaken them to piles of rubble. If the earthquakes haven't shaken them into piles of rubble, the impact wave sent through the crust of the Earth likely would. If they were within a thousand miles of the impact site of even a 1,000 meter asteroid the air temperature would rise hundreds of degrees and the areas inhabitable. Now if it was a planet it would be reasonable to assume that the laval plume from the penetration of the Earth's mantle would bury their bunker under hundreds, if not thousands of feet of lava - and good luck getting out of that.

To keep pretending some more - if ANYONE survived - and I sincerely doubt that even the cockroaches would make it through a planet on planet collision - the planet wouldn't be inhabitable for over a thousand years - maybe longer. So those "Survivors" wouldn't really be survivors at all - they would be the last to die is all - and it would probably be a slow and dismal death at that.

So... with all of that in mind... rejoice and be happy! A.) There is no Planet X coming to wipe us out. B.) And even if there was you would be smart to want to be one of the first ones wiped out to avoid the calamity and suffering that will no doubt befall those dumb enough to think that they could survive in a bunker.


reply posted on 4-1-2008 @ 04:05 PM by andy1033
reply to post by dreb13



Thats ok if your beside a site that will get hit, and you die straight away. Iwonder if there ever was one, how many people would goto a site that may be attacked rather than run,and go throught all the radiation sickness etc...


reply posted on 4-1-2008 @ 04:08 PM by kozmo
reply to post by andy1033



Dreb is right - in the context of what a nuclear detonation would likely mean - MAD - Mutually Assured Destruction. It's not likely that only 1 or 2 nukes would hit. Rest assured... If 1 goes off then thousands are going to follow a VERY short time later! I like his science teacher's idea, but I think I'll make mine a martini!


reply posted on 4-1-2008 @ 04:18 PM by tep200377
Well, as an educated norwegian, and with parents deep in norwegian politics, I can say this : BS! Some of the posts here on ATS begin to humiliate humanity. I am ashamed of how low humans can go to get attention. This is not directed to the poster, but to the source.



I have been to several underground bases [number given]. We used the railcars to get around. Only a few special people were selected to be shown around. Those that run with the elite know of this.


Ok, so he has been there and seen it .. and then ..


I have evidence of my claims. I trust my sources 100%, but they are afraid to tell what they know. People are afraid for their lives and that is how it is. I just also want the public to know what the hell is going on. I am not afraid of death or any other thing.


So now, he hasn't been there, but has sources ???


In 2009 the government of FRP will come into power and Siv Jensen will be elected Prime Minister. This is already known. It's important to understand that. The elections are all fake and the same persons and power elite get elected each time in turn. Look up the political history of Norway, and the people that run the country now.


My dad just steped down from politics and turned down a high position in FRP. So I knwo what I am talking about.

If Siv Jensen is so far up the chain .. why did she sit in the seat next to me in a low fair trip back from NICE this september? Shouldn't she be in a sculls or bones meeting??

BTW: Norway is stepping down its army founding. We do NOT have an army to defend, protect or dictate this country. ...


This smells BS from here to the south pole ..


BTW a brief history of our ruling parties:

Kristelig Folkeparti 1972-73
Arbeiderpartiet 1973-76
Arbeiderpartiet 1976-81
Arbeiderpartiet 1981
Høyre 1981-1986
Arbeiderpartiet 1986-89
Høyre 1989-90
Arbeiderpartiet 1991-96
Arbeiderpartiet 1996-97
Kristelig Folkeparti 1997-99
Arbeiderpartiet 1999-


I dont see any reelection of FRP ( Fremskritspartiet ) here ??



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reply posted on 4-1-2008 @ 04:47 PM by mecheng
and you know this how?



reply posted on 4-1-2008 @ 04:52 PM by manticore
I have been doing my own research on Nibiru/Planet X and what it supposedly has brought in the past. When you start connecting the dots, you start realizing that civilizations like Lemuria and Atlantis, could very well have been reality, and not just a legend.

History repeats itself, and just like every year we go around our Sun, perhaps every 3,600 Nibiru "pays us a visit". Consider the Jewish Exodus. Consider that there is no Egyptian Pharaoh accounted for during that time either (and they kept records before that). I am agnostic to the possibilities. However, seeing how the Federal government plans to relocate to Denver. Knowing of the existence of over 130 DUMBs (deep underground military bases) in the US alone, everything starts making sense. COG - Continuation of Government.

It sounds like science fiction, doesn't it? Very soon we will stop laughing at Zecharia Sitchin and his 12th Planet theory. Even if you were to relocate yourself to the highest mountain or the deepest cave, the environment surrounding you would be hardly livable. Only those privileged enough and worthy of continuing life in the future would be allowed in. For the rest, I'm afraid we will be the result of population control. I too am concerned about my children. I have shared this concern with family and friends and they would rather be left alone in their own "underground" imaginary perfect world.

Oh, and one last thing. For more information on the purchase of almost 100,000 acres of land in Paraguay by the Bush family, through Jenna. One of the world's largest water reservoir's. Here's the link for the specifics:
wonkette.com...




[edit on 4-1-2008 by manticore]


reply posted on 4-1-2008 @ 05:19 PM by Telos
Originally posted by ATSGUY

A letter from a Norwegian politician (2012)


projectcamelot.org
I am a Norwegian politician. I would like to say that difficult things will happen from the year 2008 till the year 2012.

The Norwegian government is building more and more underground bases and bunkers. When asked, they simply say that it is for the protection of the people of Norway. When I enquire when they are due to be finished, they reply “before 2011”.

Israel is also doing the same and many other countries too.
(visit the link for the full news article)



Well to be honest with all of you I don't know what to think about this projectcamelot stuff. This guys are kind of weird. One day they post an interview with somebody (I think was David Willock) who pages after pages explains all the stuff about 2012 and the ascension of the entire planet to another dimension ( so no drama, no doomsday, no armagedon) and the bright future that expects planet Earth and humans. Now this fatalistic testimony from a 'Norwegian politician' which brings back again the fear about the years to come. What the heck is going on? Is this a fear campaign and a well perpetrated scenario to keep humanity at the grasp of a constant fear or is the truth of what expects all of us in a near future? At this point I'm feed up with this bull @@i and i can't take it anymore Don't know who and what to believe ...

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