Who has the best Special Forces ?

Originally posted by russiankid
... soooo is this thread pretty much done??? all questions have been answerd and... stuff

Well this thread always pops back up, seriosly, its like a bad smell. It just doesnt die!

lol well that ok cuz i can keep annoying u guys with a bunch ov other questions.....

From What I have seen, the Russian Special Forces hands down, the best!!
I have a friend in Canada who imagrated after the fall of the Soviet Union. at the time, was a senior instructor at the most elite special forces school in the world. Less than 1% of the Russian Goverment knew of its existence. This group is know as the Shadow group, and they are sent on the most dangerous missions. Their training is completely different from any special forces group in the world. They are trained in the ways of the ancient Russian Warriors were trained over 1000 years ago. It is surprising that it survived Communist rule. In my discussions with my friend, he told me that when he came Canada, he read all the books on the sorceror Don Juan Castanada. Much of his training and experience is in those books! My friends teacher is one of the most remarkable men you will ever meet. His name is Michael. He has been here several times to the States and given several exhibitions. In my opionion, he is the closest thing to a real life Obi-One! In fact two months after 9/11, I met a former command sgt major of a Ranger Regiment who was on his way to Afkanistan after his daughters wedding. He knows my friend in Canada and he knows of Michael. He told me that he tried to get both of them to come down and give some exhibitions at the special forces school at Fort Bragg. In fact for the last four years, my friend and taken groups of people from the United States, Canada and Europe each August to go through an actual special forces school in Russia. If you got $3000, and you are in good physical condition and like to jump out of burning buildings, drive a tank, and shoot the latest weapons in the Russian military, you can do it.

Damn, has the very specialness of our Aussie S.A.S got out!?!? How are they supposed to do their job now that they've been 'outed'?Don't tell the 'Yanks' they'll want to prove otherwise. O.K. thats a bad joke but our guys are damn good and the rest of the world thinking of us as drunken 'Yobos' kind of helps them get where they gotta go. Though there has been alot of our top armed forces speaking up against the rot thats set in so maybe we won't be that good for much longer.

Originally posted by ultra_phoenix
I'm Belgian. So, the best SF are our ESR.

But if I'm honest, I'll say like M.S. Aussies S.A.S are the best, or perhaps British S.B.S or the US S.E.A.L.

Oh yeah, and the french C.R.A.P ( do not laugh, it doesn't mean crap

) aren't so bad.

omfg are u sure the french SF are C.R.A.P ??? holy.. when i 1st saw it..i almost lmao... but hey its in their short form.

Okay people stop!!!!! This has been discussed enough, there is no best special forces, okay can ya stop now?

Originally posted by blue cell
Okay people stop!!!!! This has been discussed enough, there is no best special forces, okay can ya stop now?

It doesnt wrk man, many have tried it doesnt wrk!
Mods please, I beg of you close this thread!

Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by blue cell
Okay people stop!!!!! This has been discussed enough, there is no best special forces, okay can ya stop now?

It doesnt wrk man, many have tried it doesnt wrk!
Mods please, I beg of you close this thread!

Beat it....if you don't like the thread then don't post and piss off. Simple as that.
Blue Cell is probably jealous as more people respond to this than his on personal special forces thread

I have spent two tours of duty in the ROK, and I have been around the ROK Rangers quite a few times and I can pick them out of a crowd. They have this "look", many are stout young men, thick across the shoulders, chest and arms than the average Korean male. I believe the ROK Rangers look for young men who were wrestlers or Judo grapellers in High School or College. I would like to tell you a funny story about the ROK Rangers.

It has been 25 years since I was last in the Military. About 5 years ago, I was in the pool area of my health spa. There was this Korean young man, in his mid to late twenties. I looked at him and he asked me if there was a problem. I asked him if he was a ROK Ranger. This was a stout young man about 5'10", 205 lbs, thick across the shoulders and chest. He was surprised and said yes that he was a former ROK Ranger and how did I know. I told him about my experiences in the ROK. He then told me a funny story how he became a ROK Ranger.

Military service is compulsory for young men in Korea. This young man was the district Judo champion when he went for his induction physicals. After his physical, all the inductees, over a hundred young men were lined up outside the induction center. Then this Army Duce-Half Truck pulls up in front. A ROK Major, black beret, dark sunglasses, startched fatigues and a walking stick gets out of the passenger side. The driver is the command SGT MAJ(a god-like figure in the ROK Military). Both of them go down the rows of men, selecting men and telling them to get in the back of the truck.
This young man was one of those selected. He was in shock and wanted to know where he was going. The SGT MAJ told him that he and the others in the back of the truck are now ROK Rangers!!

Originally posted by rogue1
Beat it....if you don't like the thread then don't post and piss off. Simple as that.

Dont try and tell me what to do oz boy.

Blue Cell is probably jealous as more people respond to this than his on personal special forces thread

Its a pissing contest!

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Blue Cell is probably jealous as more people respond to this than his on personal special forces thread

Dude the only thing I'm mad about is that I present plenty of areas of discussion and no one opens them.

Who are the best??

Ok first of all US Special Forces are trained in very small areas - there are jungle units, desert units mountain units etc. ---they cannot do everything!
While all special forces are extremely tough and determined men - there are several units throughout the world that have really distinguished themselves on the battlefield.

The first and foremost of these is the British SAS - these guys have been doing it tough since WWII. Dont forget these guys are responsible for training the israelis and the russians - especially the russian CT unit - Tiger Force - never heard of them?? im not surprised.

The main difference as i see it between the US Special Forces teams and units like the SAS is that the British strive to give their soldiers a thorough training in EVERY aspect of warfare - from jungle to desert, from parachute insertion to submarine insertion - from CT stuff like the iranian embassy takedown to undercover secret agent stuff like what we hear about happening in Northern Island - these guys can do it all - the british dont need Delta Force to do this, the SEALS to do this and the CIA SAS to do this - their SAS can do it all - now that is truly elite.

The British train their soldiers how to think, while the yanks train them what to think. This fundamental difference in training results in the British soldiers being free to use their initiative to overcome problems while the yanks are hesitant and often make mistakes - remember the israeli spy freeing the hostage?

This has prompted a major change in doctrine in the US Military and this is why many US Special Forces are now being cross trained with both the AUstralian and Bristish SAS.

THe Aussies are another unit that stands out as one of the best in the world - not only are they trained the same as the British - they possess a quality which cannot be found anywhere else in the world - the Aussie spirit. These guys are extremely capable men and can tackle any problem with a good attitude - what they lack in technology and numbers they more than make up for with their determination and dedication to their job. With Australias increased defence spending in recent years, i believe we will hear alot more about the Aussie SAS.

Delta Force operates somewhat different than other SF. They came to Colombia and helped kill Pablo Escobar the drug boss. They never went to combat but pursued intelligence operations and infiltration rather than engage in direct combat.

By the way Colombia now has a lot of SF trained by Delta Force, Army Rangers and Green Berets.

hey guys great topic. i have just read a book about the sasr's involvment in afghan, iraq etc, and they are clearly the best. there is a quote from the yank commander that is along the lines of... i would freely invade hell, with the aussie sas on my right flank. having gone into afghanistan having to prove the the amaericans what they can do, a single platoon of about 22 left iraq and was replaced by roughly 1000 american sf. seems sensible to me.

On the subject of the Russian Spetznaz, I have heard, and would like the fine ppl here to confirm it if possible, that the Spetznaz Soldiers primary weapon is a spade (yeah, the shovel kind) and they are trained to use it.

I spent several years working with a lot of special forces groups around the world and have a lot of respect for all of them. I myself was in a special operations aviation unit.

Someone earlier had mentioned that Delta chooses you and that is the only way...Not true they recruit from all services and invite soldiers (generic term) to come and get as much info about is as possible to see if it is something that you are interested in/capable of/qualify for...they feel you out. I myself sat through one and decided I was fine right where I was at.

Who is the best? What is the mission? Thats the real question.


It doesnt really matter to me who is the "best"...I have had a lot of friends in different groups and they all had more nerve than most.

Kafer

id like to see those british sas deal with weather in australia let alone iraq i mean most of australia is 35 degres celcius everyday and can reach 49 in the inner country australia is a desert man i live here those british dont train in wagga wagga or desert climates for years (live there) we also in are noth have tropics the fact is australia is a region were all climates and altitudes can be trained in from snow to duststorm and who said those aussies wernt the best they invented those zig zag binoculars for looking out of trenches they took a country that had more than its now inhabitatce of 20 million the only problem is aus doesnt have aircraft carriers it has submarines sas also were the fist to have cameras issued to the guns for looking around corners im no military finatic
and i was in a private hospital with sum people of millitary back ground in richmond sydney witch is next to an air base and a unit told me a group of sas units had a us plane fly over a camp facility in afgan the terrors came out thinking air strike the aus blew the fudge out of the terros as they ran for cover and recond all the info with out blowing the # out the complex near 500 people died that day and none aus tactically aus is very good weve had less than 30 deaths since 911 in the whole military not including the sunami helycopter crash ever aus boasts alot or were that good look at galipoli the greatest reconacise mision ever and i mean ever those turkish had no idea an army could disapear

Originally posted by Private_parts
Who are the best??

Ok first of all US Special Forces are trained in very small areas - there are jungle units, desert units mountain units etc. ---they cannot do everything!
While all special forces are extremely tough and determined men - there are several units throughout the world that have really distinguished themselves on the battlefield.

This is just plain incorrect and false.

You act like the SEALs haven't participated in operations in Vietnam (jungle), South America (Jungle), Afghanistan (Mountains), and Iraq (Desert).

SEALs are trained for every type of insertion, that includes from submarines and HALO jumps. You act like they are only underwater demolition specialists, or CT specialists. You are just plain incorrect here.

If you want to get down to the TRUE differences, it is mainly philosophy. The Brits tend to be more cautious then others. Americans tend to be more gung-ho. Russians tend to be more ruthless. Isrealis tend to be more cunning.

Like I said before, the differences in operation capability are very small. Maybe for underwater demolition you want SEALs slightly above SBS. Maybe you want Delta force slightly ahead of SAS for CT. Maybe you want SAS slightly ahead of the Green Berrets for recon. Maybe you want the GBs slightly ahead of so and so for spurring a local uprising.

As it is, the AS were the ones that trained US special forces originally. They wrote the old testament on it. Most of what the US does is based on their training. The US has more experience now how ever in the last 2 decades.

Frankly, to really say who the "best" is, you have to go down to specific unit vs unit, and even soldier vs soldier.

apologies for the thread reserection but I had to add my experience. In the late 80's early 90's I was in 45 commando Royal Marines and can remember taking part in a sniper excersise taught by the best instructors in Britain, RM instructors, on Woodbury common. My lasting memory is of a load of older guys milling about in # order (realy scruffy ) with the famous sandy beret. I can remember these fellas not saluting to our officers and getting a brew on in record time compared to the trainees i was with, they could also roll a fag with one hand and shoot with the other, in other words they were at one with the woods,.
There is no doubt that the British SAS are the most respected in the world, in selection they are given no encouragement by the SAS selection team, just every now and then after a 50 mile beasting they are asked "do you want to wrap (give in) then get in the truck. The thought being they want people who won't quit not the musclebound rambo types..........it works. and I have a Navy background not Army.

Originally posted by Grimnal
id like to see those british sas deal with weather in australia let alone iraq i mean most of australia is 35 degres celcius everyday and can reach 49 in the inner country australia is a desert man i live here those british dont train in wagga wagga or desert climates for years (live there).

You do realise that one of the SAS's first and most distinguished campaigns (A full campaign, not just a mission!) was in Africa in WWII don't you?
Mussolini saw a chance to send in troops to take over French and British colonies and did so. So the British sent in the newly formed SAS commando troop to go and ruin Mussolini's S**T.

Need I also mention the Gulf War, where the SAS and Delta Force were sent ahead of everyone else to find and destroy Scud launchers and report back information about hidden defenses?

The British SAS was baptised in the fire of the North African desert, sent far beyond enemy lines with a handful of soldiers and balls of British steel.

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