2 Election Workers Get 18 Months for Rigging Presidential Recount

Originally posted by centurion1211

You mean like the logic that also says there was no way the two of them were going to change 220,000 votes - enough to swing that county from Kerry to Bush's favor?

Your not following here, everybody can see from the tally of the votes that there was no way the women were going to try to change the outcome of who won.

That's a given! We KNOW that!

But it was when they went behind closed doors and removed already counted ballots, that was the thing that was done wrong here, and that is what the judge is taking a stand on, to try to make sure this sort of "culling/discarding" of the ballots doesn't happen again!

What happens if this happens again and the ballots that are "discarded" actually DO change who the winner is, THAT is what this is all about. To make sure two people don't lock themselves in a room and discard ballots!

[edit on 4/1/08 by Keyhole]

I personnally think the 2 women if/are convicted, should be either shot or hung as traitors to the U.S. There actions are not only against the constitution, but against democracy, which EVERY vote should count.

I think that would set the example that we need, that you don't &%$( with the elections.

Cheers

Camain

DocMoron:

Go back and read the FULL article.

Actually, that would require you to have the ability to read, which obviously you DON'T.

Your left-wing, hate-America first socialist reaction is to think this was some kind of benefit to BUSH, when in fact it helped Kerry. This didn't affect the outcome of the election, as you infer.

That we somehow were saddled with Bush and his policys as a result of this discovery is asinine.

Thank GOD Kerry DIDN'T win, because if he DID, we'd all be 6 feet under because the terrorists would have succeeded in more attacks against America.

Are you still breathing, sir? If the answer is "yes", then you have the President to thank for it.

Read the complete article, before you Pop off.


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[edit on 1/7/2008 by Gools]

Originally posted by camain
I personnally think the 2 women if/are convicted, should be either shot or hung as traitors to the U.S. There actions are not only against the constitution, but against democracy, which EVERY vote should count.

I think that would set the example that we need, that you don't &%$( with the elections.

Cheers

Camain

I'm with you on this. If you maliciously tamper with the election process that should be considered high treason and subject to the death penalty. Personally I favor hanging in the town square. I believe we'd have a few demonrat and repugnant operatives swinging on the gallows pole if we had a real country.

in the judicial system everyone should know that 18 months equals more like six months and maybe probation. that's not near enough to what we suffer on a daily basis for current government affairs, even if their hindering didn't make a difference.

Am I the only one that noticed this?

Article published Tuesday, March 13, 2007

Here you can check again...

2 election workers get 18 months for rigging presidential recount

This is old news, but I'm glad people are interested in fair elections. The ones that want to make this a non event would be the first to complain if the shoe were on the other foot.

The fact is that there was election rigging here in Ohio, and we are still fixing things. In Cuyahoga County they are trashing all the brand new new touch screen voting machines for paper scanners. The Ohio Board of Elections has made several other recommendations that will hopefully be in place by our March Primary.

These two election workers did break the law and should be reprimanded because hopefully it will restore confidence in our voting process, which benefits any party. However I will agree that the judge did seem to be making it out to be more than it is.

reply to post by centurion1211

ever heard of principle? how about common practice? and how about, 'making an example'?

it seems you have no problem with breaches in protocol.
really, what's the point in voting at all? one pile of ballots may or may not be bigger than the other. no biggie, eh?

vote, shmote, i always say.

I've said it before, but not on this site; If the Republicans or any other party learned how to rig elections, they got that knowledge from the Democrats.

Originally posted by Hal9000
Am I the only one that noticed this?

Article published Tuesday, March 13, 2007

I think you were the only one who noticed!

I didn't see that when I started this thread!

But, still worth a little time and thought here on ATS though I think.


[edit on 5/1/08 by Keyhole]

Originally posted by billybob
reply to post by centurion1211

 

ever heard of principle? how about common practice? and how about, 'making an example'?

it seems you have no problem with breaches in protocol.
really, what's the point in voting at all? one pile of ballots may or may not be bigger than the other. no biggie, eh?

vote, shmote, i always say.

What if they were just doing what they said they were doing - trying to "efficiently" (in their minds) get the votes tallied and not trying to rig anything at all?

If it broke the rules for their state, they should be reprimanded and banned from working on any more elections, instead of being crucified with prison terms by an over zealous judge, the media and a bunch of people here on ATS who still can't find any real evidence of election fraud in Ohio.

So does this mean the electronic voting machines are not at fault after all?

I like lttle old ladies. I'm married to one So this is not a be mean to old ladies post. But they took a job, and part of that job was honesty. They took a job that should be an honor as a citizen, and then figuratively spit on it because they wanted to hurry the process along.

These ladies failed to respect the election ideal, and made themselves above the law. We don't like it when cops do it, we don't like it when politicians do it, but somehow it's OK when they're senior citizens.

Well I'm a senior too, and we had civics in school. They knew full well that what they were doing was wrong, and they did it anyway, even if it was just due to being lazy. The reason for a crime, and this was a crime, is not the point. They knowingly committed an act that they knew was unlawful, and worse was a betrayal of the principle of free ,honest and open elections.

I think they should serve the full 18 months right up to midnight.

[edit on 7-1-2008 by NGC2736]

There's the possibility that the two women who were convicted were just the tip of the iceberg. There may be all kinds of irregularities in recording and/or tallying votes in Ohio. But it seems unfair that these two have to take the rap for all the problems in the system.

[edit on 7-1-2008 by Sestias]

Originally posted by Sestias
There's the possibility that the two women who were convicted were just the tip of the iceberg. There may be all kinds of irregularities in recording and/or tallying votes in Ohio. But it seems unfair that these two have to take the rap for all the problems in the system.

[edit on 7-1-2008 by Sestias]

Uh, did you read the part where one of these 2 "election fraud conspirators" was a democrat and one was a republican? Makes them really unlikely bedfellows IMHO. In fact, makes the whole case really unlikely.

Originally posted by LiamStemrad
DocMoron:

Go back and read the FULL article.

Actually, that would require you to have the ability to read, which obviously you DON'T.

Your left-wing, hate-America first socialist reaction is to think this was some kind of benefit to BUSH, when in fact it helped Kerry. This didn't affect the outcome of the election, as you infer.

That we somehow were saddled with Bush and his policys as a result of this discovery is asinine.

Thank GOD Kerry DIDN'T win, because if he DID, we'd all be 6 feet under because the terrorists would have succeeded in more attacks against America.

Are you still breathing, sir? If the answer is "yes", then you have the President to thank for it.

Read the complete article, before you Pop off.

And before you Pop off, learn to respect others if you ever want any respect.

Maybe I was referring to the fact that your Lord, I mean Bush, was illegally installed into office. That he wouldn't have had a chance to get re-elected.

Honestly if you think I am socialist, you are completely wrong. I am all for gluttonous violence and ignorant fanatics. In fact, my dream would be to put you in a fight to the death versus any Palestinian freedom fighter. i would sell it on Pay Per View. Funny thing is, They are actually fighting for survival. You are just yapping your mouth off in the cozy of your own home, acting as a gatekeeper for zionist beliefs. And those that don't meet your criteria, you try to create a panic by yelling "FIRE!"

Maybe before you keep trying to beat the horse of partisanship to complete death, you should maybe realize that when I am saying 'all they got was 18 months' and we got 48, maybe what I was talking about was the gatekeeper mentality that would make some lowly poll keeper think that they have the rights to change the rules our elections on the fly. And in doing so, have forced us to keep replaying the game of "What If?" over and over in our heads.

Maybe this will get you so angry that you will finally blow your top, and get banned for your ridiculous gatekeeper tirades. But I often wonder what would have happened if George W Bush had not been handed the election by the Courts back in 2000. I honestly believe that we would not have had any attack on 9-11-01. That we would not be trillions of dollars in debt, but possibly still at the largest surplus in the history of the country, and growing. That perhaps the whole Hummer craze would never have happened in the glorification of our current war on oil. Hate me if you want, but I believe that your Lord, the dishonorable George W. Bush should be impeached, tried for Treason, and killed before a firing squad. Maybe that could be the "Main Event" after you try to wrestle a Palestinian to death.

I am willing to get banned for calling you Obtuse.
Only thing, you might not know what it means...
DocMoreau

reply to post by centurion1211


Did you read the part that it is still illegal to do? And what does party affiliation matter. I know of hundreds of 'Democrats' registering as 'Republicans' in order to vote in their states Republican Primaries. Some are doing this in order to try to get Ron Paul in, others are doing it to stage the best Republican for the General election Defeat.

Plus, what do you call a Republican? My grandmother was Republican Chairwoman for her State during Goldwater, and I was raised Republican. Huckabee is not a true Conservative. Romney is not a true Conservative. Guiliani is not true Conservative. None of the 'Republicans' being pushing down your throats, especially the Current President are Conservatives. They should create a new party for men like these called "Capitalist" and their mascot could be a Pig. Pigs like that have me registered Democrat so that I can try to have a say in who the next president is going to be among all the CFR choices.

Real Conservatives "Conserve"
DocMoreau

Beyond skewed partisan rhetoric these two workers deserve to do the 18 months, You do the crime, you do the time.

Doc-

Are you inferring that somehow the sitting President realized a benefit from these two workers that were fined?

Seems as though Kerry was the benefactor....but your post made it seem like George Bush was somehow the one behind it?

Not sure if I mis-read that...but funny how some who have responded to this might not have read the end of the article.

I think this was blown out of proportion....workers were trying to make a shortcut, which I don't condone, by the way.

reply to post by DrTellerwuzright


Welcome to ATS.

After spending only a few minutes here I'm sure you'll notice that the predominant theme here is that Bush and the U.S. are basically at fault for all the world's problems.

Hopefully, you can and will help some of us counter that with a more balanced approach.

Enjoy ...



[edit on 1/7/2008 by centurion1211]

reply to post by DrTellerwuzright


Welcome to ATS.

Now here's the ritual fire test.

Did you read the part about it being ILLEGAL? It means diddly who profited from it, or who didn't. What matters is that a couple of Stepford Wives decided to bypass the system because it cut into their soap opera time, and broke the law.

Instead of getting all teary eyed for a couple of bingo beauties with no sense of either the law or civic responsibility, maybe we all ought to applaud a judge who wants to stamp out political dice games, no matter who is involved.

They were taking power away from the people. Illegally.

reply to post by LiamStemrad



That was the funniest rant I ever heard! We'd be dead if not for Bush!
Oh My God! People really think that? What an eye opening experience I've had here at ATS.

These people broke the law with what they did and should be punished. Regardless of the outcome of the election being effected or not. Every vote should be counted. If not, we're no different than the other third world countries who's elections don't really matter. I have a few friends who don't vote because they think it doesn't matter, because it's all rigged like professional wrestling or American Idol.

I hope this isn't the case.