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Originally posted by HornedOne
Because it’s the easiest let’s do the great flood first.
You, as a believer in god, know the list of “begats” in the bible and know that they add up to roughly 6,000 years. The world hasn’t been flooded in the last 6,000 years, in fact there is no trace the world has ever been totally flooded.
The great flood is the one thing that could be scientifically proved and presented world wide as undeniable evidence of the existence of the biblical god and stop the evolution debate (that’s destined to wipe out the faith) in it’s tracks yet the church doesn’t see that it’s worth while attempting to prove it even though, compared to proving evolution, it would be simple and relatively cheap.
Well, all the animals of the world couldn’t cross the planet to get to the meeting point.
We’ve got the dimensions and the dimensions aren’t big enough to hold all the animals + their food + store their waste.
It’s interesting to note, Moses would have had no idea how many animal species there really were across the world at the time he was chatting with god. Oh well, no bearing on the dimensions I guess.
...Moving on: If you attempted to dismiss all that, which can’t be done...
what happened to all the water? Look at Gods law: in order to survive we need to exist in a “closed system”, the water can’t get out. We know it’s not under ground, we know it’s not in the sky, so where is it?
Here’s one of the good ones: if you interbreed you will get genetic degradation which will lead to extinction.
I am a little surprised god didn’t alert Moses to that one when he was loading animals 2 x 2 and several of others into the Ark.
So what are you going to do? Tell me the bible is open to interpretation? Tell me god bent all his laws that made him great in order to have his flood?
How come, if we all descended from Noahs little family group and have the same original knowledge passed down (including gods demonstration of power to ignore all the natural laws created by god), why are we debating this over the internet? Why is our history and heritage not the same across the world, especially given the biblical fact it’s only been a few thousand years and we know man can retain his heritage for thousands of years.
No need to answer the questions, the answers are part of historical and scientific fact.
Oh dear. Didums gets worked up does he?
I'll have to play you on that one, it's fun. Here goes then:
Apparently you are dumber than I, at first, thought.
So you are telling me scientists don’t reduce the number of experiments they carry out by the process of elimination. They don’t use common denominators? They just fire ahead and test everything?
Well gee they must be all stupid and arrogant. (Wow I like being stupid and arrogant if that’s your criteria.)
Yes well a statement that you don’t know the facts hardly lives up to your claim: “Other words boy I know what I am talking about, unlike you.” (Not engaging brain yet.)
Can I assume that means you know a lot about nothing?
I’ll just sit here wait for you to come up with an example where a religion is based on an event involving a group encountering a god.
It seems to me some one who claims “I know what I am talking about, unlike you” would have come across some evidence of something that earth shattering if it had happened.
It also seems to me that, even someone as dumb as you, would realise, if it had happened, that that religion would not only survive today and be documented, it would be the strongest religion on the planet.
Good comment: “Yet your unable to offer solid proof to back your claims.” Um did I detect being asked by you for proof of what I said is fact and fail to respond? I must have missed that. Okay now we are getting to the real definition of “Stupid and arrogant”. Thanks for that.
Ohhhh gee more bs atheistic preaching…….. Oooooo touchy. Didn’t have a real response for that one? Never mind something will come to you later. But seriously, don’t know what preaching is either?
How about you demonstrating the logic of believing in Genesis as scientific fact. You might like to throw in the total logical proof in the bible derived by theists versus the amount of logical proof in evolution provided by atheists.
Oh yes ….Killer proof on “false logic” ….to quote you LOL in fact ROFLOL.
Grudge: 1. a feeling of ill will or resentment:
There’s a good little fellow go and look up “resentment” and then figure out, using what I’ve already said, why that one doesn’t work either.
If you start struggling, don’t hesitate to come back for an explanation (I know these big words can be difficult to comprehend.)
See I told you "Engage brain before speaking" was useful.
re·sent·ment /rɪˈzɛntmənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ri-zent-muhnt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
the feeling of displeasure or indignation at some act, remark, person, etc., regarded as causing injury or insult.
re·sent·ment (rĭ-zěnt'mənt) Pronunciation Key
n. Indignation or ill will felt as a result of a real or imagined grievance. See Synonyms at anger.
resentment
noun
a feeling of deep and bitter anger and ill-will
Originally posted by HornedOne
First, when I quote “Moses” and not “Noah” it is correct. I was implying that when Moses created the great flood story he made errors because he only knew what he knew.
The fact is I’ve been through the debate before and like any other theist you cannot supply scientific and logical argument to support it.
You have not responded to a number of the most major, unanswerable questions but, based on your other comments, your arguments are based on the usual, provable to be, factually incorrect assumptions and scientific impossibilities that only a person unwilling to accept scientific fact or use logic could accept...
In this set up do you know what the killing blow to the debate is? That you would feel a need to debate it.
Your god created the universe and everything in it from nothing and you feel the need to defend something as miniscule as a flood (without resorting to an explanation including the power of god to “just do it”). As this is the case where did all the water come from originally?
Btw, big words don't measure intellect, intellect measures the syntax of big words.
Words have no value when not proof/truth evaluable, they are merely fairy tales.
Originally posted by WraothAscendant
reply to post by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Beyond the special pleading of the other statements.
I'm going to assume this attempt at a bail out (for horned) was aimed at me, as stinkingly passive aggressive as it is if you were attempting such.
So........
How beyond not accepting the bill of good atheism tries to shove down my throat day in day out, every bit as annoying as the most zealous Christian that has tried to shove Christianity down my throat. Please note I am not Christian I just respect their right to follow whatever beliefs they want.
Which is more than can be said for some people.
Where is your proof other than not accepting atheism do I not have any intellect?
Hmmmmm?
Oh and its worthwhile to note that words are abstract things and can mean whatever people agree to make them mean so that last part is right out.
Your assumptions would be correct, or you could just be a tad bit self conscious. Passive agressive is still offensive though, is it not?
I don't respect their right to follow whatever they want. It's my world too, and people should believe in the truth, and only the truth.
Not a delusional mess that constantly causes conflict and war for no good reason. Religion is the root of all Humanities divisions, separation and individualisms up to this point.
Originally posted by WraothAscendant
It's my experience passive aggressive is the last resort of someone who can't pull off full aggression and the consequences there in.
Rrrrrriiiiiiggggghhhhhhttttt so what you say is right and everyone else must follow because this is your world too. Something childish rings there with a twist of spoiled.
Its also worthwhile to note that your particular ideology is not the first to spout that particular line of rubbish. Early Christianity comes to mind. But you don't stop to think about that.
Ahhhhh so racism isn't about skin color or body configurations being different and people's apparent inability to look beyond that, its about religion. Rrrrriiiiiggggghhhhhhtttttt. Quite a leap you take with just that one alone.
You confuse the symptoms with the disease sir.
And while in an easy world it would be fairly easy to say one thing causes it rather than the race that created it, too bad this world is not an easy world.
The "delusional mess" as you put it is human nature and it infects EVERYTHING we do. Particularly when it is noted from where I am sitting you spout a fair amount of delusion yourself. Not to mention the "this is my world too so they must do what I want them to do" argument.
Which sounds similar to so many other past arguments that were also false.
Heck I think the communists had similar thoughts.
Funny the more I talk to people of your particular ideological stripe the Tool song "The Grudge" comes stronger into mind.
Hahaha, is this a form of instigation? I have plenty of resorts, they're endless. Put this new experience in your data-base.
Hahaha, well, aren't we all just children of God?
There's a difference between wanting people to believe in the truth, and wanting people to believe in a mortal man as the all mighty son of an imaginary almighty diety.
Rubbish... one man's garbage is another man's treasure
You're exactly right. You should do some research on why slaves were allowed, how slaves came into America and other nations, what role "divine intervention" played in establishing nations and uprooting and blatantly killing the indigenous inhabitants of those lands, and then how that plays into a future of racism after certain peoples are degraded
I didn't know we had someone who had all the answers on our hands. Welcome. Maybe you could be so kind as to tell us the symptoms and the diseases, doctor Existence?
The "delusional mess" as you put it is human nature and it infects EVERYTHING we do. Particularly when it is noted from where I am sitting you spout a fair amount of delusion yourself. Not to mention the "this is my world too so they must do what I want them to do" argument.
Haha. Until you show proof of anything that you say, the use of the word false implemented by you, is false... they do, they will, and they always have done what I wanted them to And you do what I want you to, too.
And your stance is no different It's only in a relative state. You try to make it appear as if you are allowing others to do as they want and believe in what they want, but you're really not, let's not forget that.
Originally posted by WraothAscendant
Funny it has been so far the same old crap different drone spewing it. When am I going to be impressed?
When did I say that? And even if I did that is hardly an good excuse for acting like one. Unless you are of course one.
I am pretty sure you already think you believe the truth.
Like a gazillion other zealots of every belief.
The simple fact I am having to read these circular not to forget childish rants pretty much proves that.
You just want to force everyone else to believe in your "truth".
Which is where you have no right and are in fact no better than those you hate.
Ok. Do you even know what divine intervention means?
I talk about racism you bring up slavery. How typical. Can't argue with the fact that racism is a human problem not a religious problem.
Might I also point out slavery isn't a racial thing. Rome was enslaving all races in its day.
Of course someone living in America and not able to see beyond the "American Perspective" might think its a phenomenon localised to black people and America. Too bad your false.
This is where you prove your trollery right here.
Remember when I said this?
How old are you? Ten?
Beyond that the proof is well everywhere for anyone who cares to look at humanity or yourself. How is it false pray tell? I know you won't be answering that with anything but some more of your silly childish trolling banter that you have thus far used.
Once again huh? What color is the sun in your reality?
So care to show any proof beyond childish assertions that what you say is true because you know "the truth" and comments that to any sane mature person sounds as silly as a school yard insult contest?
Originally posted by WraothAscendant
Perhaps one day you may one day grow to be able to see beyond it.
Because the world need tolerance not your childish approach of "do what I say" with very little proof beyond childish banter.