Originally posted by mr-lizard
Okay I'm asking everybody who believes in any of the God(s) a couple of questions
Below is an incomplete list of various Gods from various beliefs throughout time...
God (The Christian one), Allah, Zeus, Horus, Haile Selassie, Shangdi, Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, Ek Onkar, Anubis, Imhotep, Nephthys, Diana, Mars,
Neptune, Ninlil, Enki, Thor... etc etc etc etc etc
Okay first off, why is your chosen God any better than the others? Why say is Allah the only god, when christians say 'no, our God is the only
God?', what about Hindu's who believe in many Gods?
If you only believe in one God, then why should a thousand other Gods be forgotten?
What happened to the Gods of old (roman and greeks)? Did they die, when there worshippers forgot them?
Are Christians hypocritical in accusing atheists of ignorance, when they themselves are ignorant of a thousand other Gods?
What about an atheist or a buddhist who doesn't believe in God, but lives a rich, wonderful and caring life? Reincarnation? Hell? Heaven? Limbo?
Does the strength of a god relate to the amount of believers?
I myself am an atheist, who doesn't believe in ANY god, but what i'm trying to do here, is counter the common myth that atheists are ignorant and
doomed, whilst at the same time trying to get some feedbackfrom actual believers...
I challenge anybody from any religion or belief to convert me and tell me why I should choose Islam over Hinduism or Paganism?
I'll take my best shot at this, since there has been very little reponse.
Why is mine better?
I'm not sure that is the best question. I won't be able to directly answer it, but I explain something else.
Jews normally dont go around trying to convert people. Rather we have an understanding that an ancient and binding Covenant was made long ago, that
our ancestors were saved from Egypt and given the Torah to guide our lives. In essence we are in debt and in contract to G-d.
I also know that according to the Torah, other beings, the Host of Heaven, were allotted to the nations, but the Israelites belonged to the Lord G-d
I'm going to get off on a tangent here and reference pagan myth and some conjecture, so bear with me. These are personal thoughts and not meant to
So here we go: I dont hold this as a belief but I often wonder what or who those others are that are allotted to the Nations and what kind of
relationship they have with the Lord G-d of Israel.
"and lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun and the moon and the stars, even all the host of heaven, thou be drawn
away and worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy G-d hath allotted unto all the peoples under the whole heaven." Deuteronomy 4:19
So we have this Host of Heaven that has been alloted to humanity. Now look at this verse from Deteronomy 32:8
"When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the children of men, He set the borders of the peoples according to the
number of the children of Israel."
This is the modern version. The ancient text says "He set the borders of the peoples according to the number of the Children of Elohim"
Even more bizarre is Psalms 82 which references Children of Elyon, called Elohim. Elyon means Most High. The Elohim are being judged by the G-d of
Israel and threatened by Him with mortality.
How does one make an Immortal, well Mortal?
Lets look back at Genesis, remember the Tree of Life? Remember this:
Genesis 3:22 "And the LORD G-d said, Behold, the man is become as one of Us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take
also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever"
Here's the Pagan Myths part I warned about. In Nordic, Greek, and Roman myth there is the Golden Apple. It is the Ambrosia and Nectar that gives the
gods their Immortality. In Greco-Roman myth it is in the Garden of Hesperides and a draconic Serpent named Ladon guards the Tree. In Norse myth the
Golden Apples are in the custody of the goddess Idun, kind of sounds like Eden doens't it.
I dont think these similarities are just coincidences. The Garden, The Serpent, the Tree of Immortal Life, etc.
These Bnai or Children of Elyon, aka Elohim, and the Children of Elohim are the Host of Heaven. Theyve been allotted to the nations, but Israel is
alone the Lord G-ds for He brought them out of Egypt and gave them the Torah.
So if you look at it that way, well it changes everything. I'm still puzzled by Jesus' reference to Psalm 82 when defending himself as a Son of G-d
against the Pharisees. Maybe the above explains his defense. Maybe the Psalm itself and the hebrew term Temutun (make mortal) explains his defense.
Psalm 82 already explained that Sarim or Princes, like the ones in Daniel who fought Michael, had fallen and become mortal. Genesis implies the fallen
mortality of the Children of Elohim before the Deluge.
Its something to ponder and something to wonder.