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FBI Mistakes Judge's Graphic 'Fantasy' Tape as Recording of Torture, Murder

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posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 02:17 PM
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Among the mysteries: Why did he make such a recording? Why is it coming to light just now? And what, exactly, is on the tape?


I have just taken the most important part of the article for you all to have a long hard think about.

The man taped himself "saying" and "doing" something. Nobody has been proven to have been "harmed" in any way, shape or form by this. Furthermore, none of you know what is exactly on this tape, we don't have it.

Now think about that long and hard and remember how the movie the Exorcist was able to scare someone to death in the U.S.A. and so on and so fourth.

You are listening to what the news say is an awful, evil, nasty, blar de blar tape without ever seeing the evidence yourself. You are taking someones opinion on the matter who for many reasons might be more sensative on the issue.

You have no idea what is on the tape. You can't proove anyone has been harmed and the Police don't think anyone has been. So what's the issue?

So what if this man likes to pretend to torture people, as long as that persent consents to the action no harm has been done. Furthermore no harm has been done to his standing as a lawyer.




posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Well taking into consideration how personal the issue of this judge is becoming with some members I guess I will leave the issue to rest, because is starting to get into a dangerous territory.

Personal preferences of sexual or other type of behavior is not well taken in ATS.

Have a good day people.


You did say that you have fantasies. That's what this is about. Judging another person's fantasies. I just find it very hypocritical to say, I have sexual fantasies, which are all good. But this guy’s fantasies are bad because his are different than mine and I do not understand them. You really can't see the problem with that logic?



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posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by zerotime
I just find it very hypocritical to say, I have sexual fantasies, which are all good. But this guy’s fantasies are bad because his are different than mine and I do not understand them. You really can't see the problem with that logic?


So I obviously haven't heard the tape and don't know what exactly it implies about the judge's character but...come on...if an individual is a SADIST, receives a chemical lift when watching another individual suffer then, you know what, yes I will absolutely take my turn playing the judge and say that he should NOT be in a position of power where he is making decisions that result in a HIGHLY EMOTIONAL AND ANGUISHED response.

Are you serious? It's none of our business???

I don't care what kinky crap my vet is into...unless it's bestiality.
You know?

Your private life is your private life and NOONE'S business until it begins to influence your professional life and affect SOMEONE ELSE'S business. To say that a SADIST is able to just turn off that part of their personality because they're not in their bedroom is a pretty short-sighted view of the phisiological changes that occur in one's body when one is turned on.



posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 03:21 PM
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ERm. I cannot understand how his sexual preferences effects his judicial standings. I mean, if you believe your self so self righteous that everyone should be at your moral standards to hold a job? And seeing as there has not been any complaints except this one, which to me appears to be political sabotage, I would say his sexual preferences have not interfered with his rulings.


not once did I ever say that I was self righteous nor compared myself better than he. This judge though has an obligation to everyone to set an example for the rest of the nation to do what is right. For example if this judge is condemning a father for being involved in sadistic rituals and pornography in his personal life, but yet this judge goes home and does the same thing or worse on an audio tape?! What kind of justice is that? Where is the line drawn? Someone has to set the example. This is the judges responsibility. A judge knows this too.


Your upset that he got half custody, which is a miracle to begin with as the system favors the females to begin with,


you obviously don't know the justice system of Alaska at all. One of several liberal courts in America, run by the 9th circuit court. They are actually in favor for the father more than the mother here. There were strings pulled for my father's son as well. His uncle is a DA in the district courts. Every person that knows the detailed account of my son's father's actions, which I will not explain here, is appalled, shocked and disgusted with how much favor he got from the courts.


so perhaps either what your saying is hysterical over exaggerations or not, either way, regardless, you put your self in the situation and thus your son. Not the judge.


Exaggerations? hysterical? How rude for you to make an assertion like that. If you like I can show you the documented proof, with witness statements about how abusive my son's father was and still is. I am quite aware of the mistake I made by being with my son's father. I did not know at the time that he would turn into such a jerk. I would have never dated him had I known it. I was great to him until I got pregnant.


Pick a better guy next time, and try not letting your emotional feelings and hatred be pushed onto anyone else.


I have a great guy now. He treats me like a queen and would never think of doing what my son's father did to me. ps My emotional feelings were never pushed onto anyone. you are the one who obviously took it personal...



Ah, and perhaps we should install public web cams in public officials bedrooms. This way, we can judge their capabilities on their favorite position to which they "get their freak on".


what an immature statement to make.
You are not seeing the point at all. This judge was elected by individuals in this nation to set an example for the rest of the nation, for the children of this nation. If children now see that it is ok for a judge to say one thing in court but do another in his personal life, it is scary to think what kind of future generation we are preparing for this nation.



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posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by wrangell76
This judge was elected by individuals in this nation to set an example for the rest of the nation, for the children of this nation. If children now see that it is ok for a judge to say one thing in court but do another in his personal life, it is scary to think what kind of future generation we are preparing for this nation.


I'm confused. what did the judge do that was so bad? Is it a bad example to exercise freedom of speech in your own home? Someone please explain this to me. As long as it stayed fantasy, what is the problem?



posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 03:27 PM
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..you know what, yes I will absolutely take my turn playing the judge and say that he should NOT be in a position of power where he is making decisions that result in a HIGHLY EMOTIONAL AND ANGUISHED response.


Well said Essedarius!
That is exactly my point in posting this thread. Judges have a responsibility, an example to set for the this nation. And they are failing us in every way nowadays.




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posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Anyone else think this sounds well quite stinky? Like someone is covering for this guy, like Foxnews and people in the FBI? Maybe the tape is not just a fantasy.

I am starting to wonder if our country is ran by a bunch of weirdos. Kind of like Eyes Wide Shut meets Hostel.


You may be on to something there. What are we going to do about it though? Nobody 'normal' seems to ever want to be a leader. Only the weird...

My question, fantasy or not, how does the tape 'get out' to the point that the FBI gets involved? I would think that you would keep something like that under wraps to the point that maybe his wife or kids knew about it, but how does it reach the public?
DocMoreau



posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 03:53 PM
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What the hell? He made a tape, did he hurt someone in the process? So when you take the bench you lose your rights to privacy? True you are setting an example, but only when you're on the job. What ever you do behind closed doors by yourself is your own business.



posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 04:03 PM
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Err...you haven't seen the tape.

You are making the judgement what he did on the tape/during the tape is illegal.

If it isn't illegal, then what he does in court doesn't matter. (He'd not deal with these cases.)



posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by Essedarius
So I obviously haven't heard the tape and don't know what exactly it implies about the judge's character but...come on...if an individual is a SADIST, receives a chemical lift when watching another individual suffer then, you know what, yes I will absolutely take my turn playing the judge and say that he should NOT be in a position of power where he is making decisions that result in a HIGHLY EMOTIONAL AND ANGUISHED response.


There is nothing wrong with your hypothetical. If the judges fantasy life conflicts with his job that would be a problem. But from what has been presented there is no indication of that. So far, all I can gather from posters here is that they believe his sexual fantasies are evil and therefore he should not be a sitting judge. They are judging him based on his fantasy alone. To me, that is a dangerous road to go down. Maybe we can all list our sexual fantasies and then one of the ATS moderators can go through them and pick out what is normal and what is abnormal and the abnormals can be kicked out of the forums. Lets just pray that we don't get one of the kinky ATS mods as our judge.


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posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by zerotime
Maybe we can all list our sexual fantasies and then one of the ATS moderators can go through them and pick out what is normal and what is abnormal and the abnormals can be kicked out of the forums.


I'm afraid that a single fantasy of mine would violate every rule in the TOS here at ATS.



posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 04:21 PM
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This may be a little off-topic here, but why would you have that man's child?

It's no surprise to me really that a Judge would be involved in something like this. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. I don't think there's a Judge, cop, lawyer or politician out there that isn't corrupt and dangerous, yet our lives are in their hands.



posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 04:26 PM
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I had my son, because I don't believe in abortion and in the end it was not my child's fault for my mistake. Having my son was the best decision I ever made. Yeah, I have been through hell and back with his dad, but I am so glad I have him. I can't imagine my life without him. Children really are a blessing from God.



posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 04:27 PM
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How having fantasies makes you corrupt? You guys write like you want robots on the bench. What if he were a painter, where would the line be drawn then? What if he would write then could he write horror novels?



posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 04:36 PM
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posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 04:36 PM
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Bebb, the district attorney, said he, too, concluded the recording was not connected to any crime, but what he heard led him to persuade Hagler, whom he describes as a longtime friend, to resign.

hosted.ap.org...


The tape was a work of fiction. That has been already been determined.

So, what makes this guy different from Quentin Tarantino or Stephen King?

So, his crime is that he made a tape that fooled the police for two years.

Who should have egg on their faces?

[edit on 2008/1/3 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 04:44 PM
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not once did I ever say that I was self righteous nor compared myself better than he. This judge though has an obligation to everyone to set an example for the rest of the nation to do what is right. For example if this judge is condemning a father for being involved in sadistic rituals and pornography in his personal life, but yet this judge goes home and does the same thing or worse on an audio tape?! What kind of justice is that? Where is the line drawn? Someone has to set the example. This is the judges responsibility. A judge knows this too.


Uh huh ... You'll be pleased to learn something new then. The act of being self righteous quite usually does not involve stating that you actually are.


However, for sake of argument, please tell me what you do for a living. That way, I can declare you are not fit for your job based purely on your sexual habits.

I suppose we should create a chart of "publicly approved sexual positions and or fantasies" to be hung in all public offices as guide lines for how one should act in his private life.



you obviously don't know the justice system of Alaska at all. One of several liberal courts in America, run by the 9th circuit court. They are actually in favor for the father more than the mother here.


Because you put your self out on the table as an easy to read book, it is quite apparent you see no role in fatherhood and have some serious "man issues".

Not that your personal story has anything at all to do with this. I would assume if the Judge was a woman and enjoyed a little camera action once in a while doing God knows what there would be less of an issue? Or is it that anyone with fetishes shouldn't be trusted?




Exaggerations? hysterical? How rude for you to make an assertion like that. If you like I can show you the documented proof, with witness statements about how abusive my son's father was and still is. I am quite aware of the mistake I made by being with my son's father. I did not know at the time that he would turn into such a jerk. I would have never dated him had I known it. I was great to him until I got pregnant.


I personally couldnt care less about your personal issues, nor whether or not your claims are accurate or not. The point is, aside from your hatred of the judicial system and man issues, there is no basis to your claim. As someone else stated after me, you have misguided hate.



I have a great guy now. He treats me like a queen and would never think of doing what my son's father did to me. ps My emotional feelings were never pushed onto anyone. you are the one who obviously took it personal...


Congrats. Now that you have that problem solved all you have to do is watch out for old judges who like to get kinky in the bedroom.




what an immature statement to make.


As much as your emotional over generalization that "because hes a judge and made a video" that he should never had been a judge because.. someone should have investigated his sexual apatites before taking office.. and that BECAUSE of this and the fact that all judges must be sadistic fetish video taping nymphomaniacs you have to share custody with your ex (husband, boyfriend, thing, what ever)



This judge was elected by individuals in this nation to set an example for the rest of the nation


The nation?

I didn't vote for him.


And a judge who like a few whips and chains doesn't effect me either way either.




If children now see that it is ok for a judge to say one thing in court but do another in his personal life


Ah think of the children!
Firstly, kids shouldn't understand that to begin with. Secondly, unless he rules specifically on whether it is illegal to have two consenting adults make a video, it has no effect on his ruling. I know its hard for you to understand, but it has nothing to do with your issues.



it is scary to think what kind of future generation we are preparing for this nation.


Ya, I hear sexual fantasies is this new crave that started at the turn of the century.


I would hope you can get over your self and your issues and see that personal preferences that occur INSIDE THE HOME in the PRIVACY of a civilian of the UNITED STATES are his and only his affairs.

And have nothing to do with you, or any case he presides over.

Done with this thread.



posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 05:45 PM
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In my role as a seasoned ATS member, I must remind everyone that personal attacks and bickering are not tolerated on any site managed by The Above Network, LLC. If you cannot address the topic without engaging in such behavior, please take your banter elsewhere.

As Wrangell76's boyfriend, I realize that I, myself, may be very tempted to speak brashly to certain posts made in this thread. It is for this reason, and out of respect for ATS Community Policies, that I will bite my tongue.

The Discussion of Personal Aspects of This Thread Ends Now
This goes for everyone, myself and Wrangell76 included.

[edit on 1/3/2008 by damajikninja]



posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by zerotime
If the judges fantasy life conflicts with his job that would be a problem.


True. And...on a side note...if you are dumb enough to allow your sexual fantasies to become glaringly public then, guess what...you deserve to lose your job just on principle.


So far, all I can gather from posters here is that they believe his sexual fantasies are evil and therefore he should not be a sitting judge. They are judging him based on his fantasy alone. To me, that is a dangerous road to go down.


Very well said. I won't judge anyone on a personal level for a good kinky go at it...but I still say that a sadist shouldn't be a judge any more than a latex fetishist should work at a baggy sweater shop.



posted on Jan, 3 2008 @ 06:24 PM
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Like I said before the topic is getting too close to home for many members and that is going to cause problems with ATS TOS.

Now lets examine the Facts

He made a tape and was available enough to be taken by the FBI in a murder related case that the Judge for some reason was look at as a suspect.

Now, why he made a tape and left it where it could be found?

Well it caused him having to resign, soo obviously the people in the town, city or state where he is from didn't like knowing that their beloved Judge was a very naughty old man.



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