Please note this is posted by Djarums, ATS Member, NOT Djarums ATS SuperModerator. I'm posting my personal views and a question from ME.

As a longtime member of ATS and someone who has always been interested in alternative topics and discussions I have seen dozens of threads posted claiming to show video of "so and so" morphing into a reptilian etc.

Now, for full disclosure, while I do enjoy discussing alternative topics I have always found this topic to be a little bit "out there". That said, I've always respected other people's opinions. My opinion is that these claims are a bit outrageous. But hey, that's just me.

My question about these threads is actually a really simple one. Please bear with me for a moment and consider the following points.

You'll notice that these threads are always about famous people. Whether it's a prominent politicians, a news reporter, a celebrity, or whoever, it's always someone who would be considered "famous" or "influential" which I'm sure feeds the theory that there is something sinister about them. We never really see videos titled "random person in the street turns into lizard" or anything like that. It's always someone well known, which brings me to my next point.

Anyone who is familiar with today's popular culture, especially in the United States and England, is quite familiar with the fact that most celebrities are having photographs and videos taken of them nearly 24/7, which brings me to my next point.

All of the video of these people is archived these days. Every newscast, every soundbite, every blurb having anything to do with these "newsmakers" is archived by various sources. This brings me to my actual question...

Why is it that every single time someone presents a thread about "so and so" being a reptilian is the evidence some third rate, horrible quality, knock off, faded out, pixellated, blurry, boxy, horrendous YouTube Video?

Do you mean to tell me that no better quality is available? Baloney! If I was watching CNN (for example) and I noticed Anderson Cooper's nose change shape you can be pretty darn sure that I'd hit the DVR up real quickly, or better yet, order a copy of the program from the network. YES, did you know that you can almost always request a copy of a television program from the network? Did you know that the networks keep ALL of their programs on tape? Yes, every one of them. Now, you may reply to me by saying "well, they charge 20 dollars for it", but come on now... if I had seen something that would change everyone's perception of reality I'd surely pay the 20 dollars for it. Wouldn't you?

But no... instead all we get is the youtube garbage quality that I described earlier with too many adjectives to repeat. So what happens with the youtube videos? What's wrong with the youtube videos? Well, what happens is that because they are of such pathetic quality, the immediate arguments presented are related to that very video's quality. Digital noise, garbling, warped pixels, etc. It is impossible to refute those arguments because they're RIGHT!!! The videos suck! Show me the Queen of England or The President "shapeshifting" in full screen 1080p quality and then we'll have something to talk about. Video hosting? Hell, if you find someone morphing into a lizard on REAL quality video, the offers to host it will come from everywhere. I'll pay for the damn thing to be hosted.

In this day and age of video being everywhere and everything being saved I can NOT understand this bizarre phenomenon of people uploading their supposed evidence of something potentially earth shattering in horrendous quality. Why do this? If you're trying to PROVE something or to EXPOSE something or to REVEAL something, then put in the effort and do the job. By simply pasting artifact riddled videoclips that are worse than a 10 dollar cellular phone's camera you are contributing nothing to what you're claiming to be your cause. Unless that's not the motivation at all...

I'd appreciate any input people have on this, perhaps unusually long post for me, but something that had been bugging me for a while. Any comments will be appreciated, and again I certainly don't mean to insult or pick on anyone this is something that I personally want to ask.

Seriously, i have repeatedly laughed at all these stories throughout the years, but i am not joking when i said in the other thread that i did witness Nancy Pelosi, on a FOX television interview, "LIVE" appear with dark red eyes and pupils were NOT normal. They were vertical on the close ups.

Now, i know the power of suggestion is a strong one. So after posting a couple of things i forgot about this. I have also briefly read David Eiche (sp) and thought the whole thing was ridiculous!

Then on a local newspaper here on Cape Cod, i just saw a picture of Hillary Clinton, campaigning. It was a still black and white shot of her, and by golly, she had the vertical pupils!!! There was something dark in her eyes too and i took this to be the "red".

I know i joke around a lot, but i'm serious as a heart attack on this one.

I have not gone by the manipulated stuff on the Internet because i'm well aware what they do to pictures and videos!!

So, i dont know if my mind is suddenly projecting this stuff, if i only can see this, or mass hysteria or what it is. I know i am telling you the truth about these two individuals- who btw, are from my party.

Thank you!

Editing to add: I want to add that i am not a TRUE BELEIVER, i am on the fence on this one, and rather than thinking these people are "reptillians" i think it might be some sort of phenomenon, as yet unexplained.

[edit on 2-1-2008 by dgtempe]

I hear ya Djarums, I always took the meaning of "Reptilian Shapeshifting" as being more figurative than literal. The "ability to change oneself to suit the enviroment". The compressed video crappulence that keeps popping up is becoming more and more intollerable. I think Skunk Works is almost too good for some of that stuff people are pulling out.
I tend to point out that it's compression to the posters and then direct them to other threads of the like hoping that they'll read the endless debunking and come to realize it's not really what they think they see.

I also feel that it's hopeless to try.

Meh. What do we do?
Cuhail

Springer,

Well, certainly everything you have said is the most likely scenario. I just wanted to share my little experience as a skeptic of said reptilians.

Anyone else? Like i said, could it also be some of us can see this and others cant?

*Runs and hides*



One more thing: Cuhail, what do you mean, what do we do? Is this subject so way out there that some are offended? I realize its way over the top, even for me, and its something i wouldnt discuss with family and friends for obvious reasons, but dont forget, there seem to be many who actually are true beleivers!
Where do they go to talk about this?

[edit on 2-1-2008 by dgtempe]

The "Reptilian" race of beings is a historic fact.

Negitive and self serving biases make people associate these beings, that did breed with mankind, as a projected taint upon celeberties.

It's a shameful misuse of understandings.

Originally posted by Incarnated
The "Reptilian" race of beings is a historic fact.

THEN once and for all prove it to us. I need some convincing myself.

Originally posted by Incarnated
The "Reptilian" race of beings is a historic fact.

Crocodiles, alligators, turtles, snakes, yes they are real.

People only see what they are willing to see. I can not prove it to you, if you don't want to see it, and if you didn't not want to see it you'd just have to check the historic documents yourself.

The Bible, many lost scrolls, the sumarians, and every fricken culture that were worlds appart back in the ancient historic days all have documentation.

Personally my favorte account is the one contained in the Urantia Book. Though they don't use the term "reptilies" they do indicated that the class of beings that came down and breeded with mankind because of their fall from grace were also the same group that caused the default of adam and eve.

1+1=2

But if you want to percieve that 1+1=pizza, that is what you can do.

Originally posted by dgtempe

Originally posted by Incarnated
The "Reptilian" race of beings is a historic fact.

THEN once and for all prove it to us. I need some convincing myself.

he cant prove it, just like he cant prove who he is, or claims to be

even though, hed know something somewhere to actually find it

PLEASE!!! Try to keep in mind, I'm not suporting the paranoid confused thinking of every nutjobber that wants to claim the "reptilians" are associated with a fake/unrealistic personal biased invisionment of a "NWO" controling things from behind the sceens.

I know that is false.

However the facts are that there have been "alien" races of beings throughout history, pre-human history, upto these very days we are in now.

Originally posted by Djarums

I full agree with you, but:

- how do you account for the ones that are uploaded as "Reptilian news reader" before it is on youtube?

- It is uploaded by and from multiple sources and has exact same descriptions on each?

- At Camera cutaway it is always fixed, but cameras in the studio use cables.

- It is almost always the face.

Just curious as to your response, even though I believe they are fake.

Originally posted by Incarnated
PLEASE!!! Try to keep in mind, I'm not suporting the paranoid confused thinking of every nutjobber that wants to claim the "reptilians" are associated with a fake/unrealistic personal biased invisionment of a "NWO" controling things from behind the sceens.

I know that is false.

However the facts are that there have been "alien" races of beings throughout history, pre-human history, upto these very days we are in now.

Michael,(incarnated) what are the facts? EXACTLY? if you know this to be fact, then tell us the names of these alien races and when and where theyve been, then indulge us, Im very open to hear what have to say on this

make some sketches and give us names or breeds or etc.

please please please



[edit on 2-1-2008 by MurderCityDevil]

Originally posted by MurderCityDevil

Originally posted by dgtempe

Originally posted by Incarnated
The "Reptilian" race of beings is a historic fact.

THEN once and for all prove it to us. I need some convincing myself.

he cant prove it, just like he cant prove who he is, or claims to be

even though, hed know something somewhere to actually find it

I am a man. My eyes work just like yours do. These things are not hidden from you. They are historic record, it is only those too willing not to do the work of reading and connecting the dots, the one's that throw out full bodies of work because they were made to go to church when they were little children that cause their own blindness.

I'd not be willing to accept the Urantia Book as reality unless I did spend several years in deep study searching for threads of truth that were connected throughout the known texts.

Or as the saying goes, "Seek and you shall find".


This is my point, the government knows less then people assume they do. If the government was to have a full disclousre document let out to the public, the fools would just assume it is part of the grand consparicy. It's a self induced blindness to the truth.

The truth is right in front of you. All you have to do is open your eyes to it.