Great post mike! As usual! Im new here, but have been reading many of your posts in the past.

I think that this 'evidence' of documented sightings in the past of UFO's is misinterpretated. Its mere coninsidence that these paintings, coins, ect look like what we beielve real 'UFO's look like.

Im sure you could find many paintings and depictions of unicorns, dragons, and other bizzare creatures through-out time, but that doesnt make them real.

Many Thx for reading!

It is interesting to see the evidence of UFOs through time, but at the same time, like others said, we could just be interpreting it in the wrong way.

Good thread though, keep it up!

Nice depiction of UFO's in history always been a hobby of mine, most of the time i see things like this my mind wanders off trying to imagine why this was done,

one poster said there are pictures of unicorns and dragons etc and this does not mean they excist, i think at one time these animals did indeed excist just in a time and age that we have not discovered yet,


The Aztec picture i see as a UDA (unidentified descriptive art) i myself believe this to depict a rocket or craft of somekind, but everyones opinion will always differ and you cant change that without proof, However the other paintings you could say there is proof by word of mouth,

Incredibly thought out thread as always

Well collected posts, nicely put together.

Not sure how to quote yet, but;

azzllin said:

"one poster said there are pictures of unicorns and dragons etc and this does not mean they excist, i think at one time these animals did indeed excist just in a time and age that we have not discovered yet"

I was just using this as an example It was unrelated to the topic of UFO's etc but i was just trying to make the point on interpritation of such dipictions.
But going back to Mike's orginal post i beleive trying to say that the cave paintings from Val Camonica, Italy show ancient astronauts is taking a huge leap of faith. Its more than likely trying to show some kind of cultural dance/show or religious beleif. To assume straight away they are astronauts seems unlogical!

thanks

I found the painting of the Madonna and Saint Giovannino intrigueing.

So did a little research, there does not seem to be anything definitive on this but I think most people agree it is part of the painting, ie it was put there by the artist.

One line of thought seems to be that Saint Giovannino was one of Leonado DeVincis students and Saint Giovannino wanted to make a dedication via a representation of one of his war machines.

This being said I doubt if we will ever know as the artist is dead, he may well have been painting a UFO.




I think it looks pretty cool.

That Egyptian wall carving has be debunked hundreds of times! Everything by that guy, Van whomever has been discredited so many times.
I beielve that what you see as a Plain, Sub, Helicopter etc was proven to be two Glyphs carved onto the same place!

Well the paintings & Egyptian glyphs have been debunked already and the cave paintings are probably more to do with the supernatural rather than sightings & interactions within our reality. I don't know why people waste their time trying to prove the existence of UFO's as neither pictures or video are definitive proof as they can easily be hoaxed or faked using computers. I think credible witness testimonies & NASA video footage is the way to go, but even then I can't see disclosure coming anytime soon.

I believe that some of it is taken out of context . But imagine if some future civilization found our artifacts after the next ice age .

Now imagine if they took all our movies/books to be historical evidence of actual things/events .

Everyone has an imagination .
And i assume they(We) have been pondering "What if" ever since they started communicating with each other.

Now theres no way to measure imagination and or its progress through history.
You can also deduct that artists (as the source) Would have great imaginations.

Maybe even far surpassing there time .
Even today there are people imagining things that are so far out that its baffling to try and conceive it as real. And/or possible.


So i say "plausible" However there isn't enough proof either imo.

Great post tho.


Edit: Also thanks for that link Nola213. Was a good read . Makes ya go "hmmmm"


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I've been looking at these types of images for some time now, glad to see this post, Mike. As a fine artist, myself, I'm most intrigued by what could have been the creative catalyst behind these artists' decisions to include such (out-of-place?) imagery in their works, particularly the cave dwellers, which -- obviously -- various representations of what was seen daily could easily be interpreted onto the cave canvas, but not figures not found in the tribe, nor in nature. What I don't get at all is why the cave artists would insert what appears to be glass helmets, as well as apparent space suits, when no person of those ancient times was likely wearing much clothing to begin with, far less odd suits with transparent domes around the head.

As well, what source of inspiration would allow a pre-industrial artist to clearly define a circular mothership-type appearance in the sky, when no engine-based vehicle of any kind was supposed to even be on earth, historically speaking? People rode camels and horses, did they not?

And I love how we've "debunked" the Egyptian helicopter wall (abydos), particularly if one is using the very logic that it's unclear what was meant by the original artist ages ago, at least when discussing other ancient artwork which clearly show (imo) space tech in the backgrounds.



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Nice post proof is in the pudding. They were drawing and talking about this stuff long before planes existed. To me its a no brainer.

OptionToChoose , please try to be at least logical with your questions.

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"As well, what source of inspiration would allow a pre-industrial artist to clearly define a circular mothership-type appearance in the sky, when no engine-based vehicle of any kind was supposed to even be on earth, historically speaking?"

Who said what they were trying to draw as a circular mothership? What an assumption. Maybe its a comet of some kind? Painted in a way which makes it look magical ect.

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"And I love how we've "debunked" the Egyptian helicopter wall (abydos), particularly if one is using the very logic that it's unclear what was meant by the original artist ages ago"

Use the ATS search function. its been debunked soo many times, im not even gonna bother posting the numerous links.

I think the ufo's over the centuries are from the devils domain when he was cast out of heaven- a third of the angels were cast out with him
...and Ezekiels account is correct except the description is of the righteous throne of God the Father of all creation- so its not your run of a mill ufo as implied
..it is God's throne and vehicle and unique to all creation
I think the ufo's could be from escapees from the pre antedeluvian flood
This is my take biblically as the book mentions in Genesis the daughters of men and giants or angels having extraordinary offspring that were the basis for the greek myths- they were demonic which makes the ufo drivers as well
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