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Were the Knights Templars Really Jesus Hating HomoSexuals?

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posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 01:45 AM
Just release from the Vatican Archives as of Oct 2007.
As several contemporary sources confirm, the pope ascertained that Templars were involved in some serious forms of immorality and he planned a radical reform of the order to subsequently merge it into one body with the other important military-religious order of the Hospitallers.

The Chinon Parchment was able to establish the actual secret practices of the Templars. All the accused admitted to having been asked by their receptors during their initiation to denounce the Cross and spit at the crucifix. Geoffroy de Gonneville alone did not succumb under duress of denouncing and spitting on the Cross. All others admitted however to "denouncing in words only, not in spirit". All denied the practice of sodomy;[3] however, kisses were admitted having been given as a sign of respect. It can also be inferred that all initiates were told to "…to abstain from partnership with women, and, if they were unable to restrain their lust, to join themselves with brothers of the Order". Only Hugo de Pérraud

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posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 10:41 AM
That's actually OLD news (about 400 years old, in fact) -- putting it in the archives is new, but the document has been available to researchers for centuries.

Secondly, before drawing conclusions, you need to know about torture and the practices of that time.

Torture replaced modern investigation. When a court official or religious official investigated a murder or other crime (including religious crime like blasphemy), he rounded up all the people in the neighborhood and questioned them. Members of the household could be whipped or punished while they were being questioned (even if they were innocent themselves) and serfs or peasants or servants were usually tortured as they were questioned.

And yes, this included children.

So the inquisitor went in "knowing that there was a crime" like "devil worship" and had his squad round up people and take them to a place of torture and start asking questions like "did you ever see the Master with a devil near him?" If you say "no", the torture starts. If you say "yes," they ask questions till you're done. You are given a penance to do and sent away.

If you are one of the accused, they torture you until you tell them how many devils you danced with, what their names were, how many people and animals you had sex with, who the devil made you kill, how many people you tormented with bad luck, how many times you spat or stomped on the cross, etc. If you (as some did) maintained your innocence to the end, they draw you and leave you alive and then burn you alive and do not absolve you of your sins, so you go straight to hell.

Slaves and servants were deemed to be so morally corrupt that you couldn't trust their word unless you tortured them first.

If you confess and pray for mercy, they give you absolution and very kindly strangle you to death before they carry out the rest of the punishment (drawing and quartering and burning).

Wikipedia gives a quick overview:

So, yes, that was the list of things they got a confession to after torturing many hundreds of people. Note that de Molay and some of the knights went through the torture and burning alive and did not admit to any of the charges.

(a list of some of the medieval torture devices... not for the faint of heart: )

So the Vatican has simply released the original documents. You can find references to it everywhere -- its contents have been known for a very long time.

posted on Jan, 4 2009 @ 09:34 AM
Kindly , these guys put their lives on the line to provide safety to other human beings on their holy pilgrimage.

A person is defined by their actions.
A 3rd party had to make a good reason to dispose of them.

posted on Jan, 4 2009 @ 09:42 AM
let this be a lesson to all of you wannabe prophets out there!

popularity sucks.

posted on Jan, 4 2009 @ 09:49 AM
Vatican accusing someone of sodomy? Now if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black...

Catholic priests are the most ardent packers of fudge one could imagine.

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