reply to post by pstrron
"Have you kept every one since birth? Ever tell a lie? Ever take something that did not belong to you, size or value does not matter a grain of rice
will do? Have you always honored your mother and father, done everything they told you to do, no exceptions? This is only three of God's laws, there
are another seven we have not even looked at. Breaking even one is called sin."
And here's my reply...
To begin with, using the bible to prove the bible, including the concept of sin in God's eyes, is foolishness to most logically thinking people.
I've seen it done in this thread, and hundreds of times before, using scriptures to back up scriptures, including as proof of the resurrection,
without ANY external proof sources at all. That's a major problem in the logic department.
Now... onto the things you had to say there. Let's go with the difference between LAW and ETHICS, and they are not always the same.
Let's take an example from recent history. Let us say that you are a member of a family living in Nazi Germany, and out of conscience, you have
hidden a group of Jews in your attic.
One day, a group of gestapo comes to your house, and asks you, directly, "Are you hiding jews?"
God's LAW says that you are never, under any condition, to lie. it is a sin, and according to christianity (NOT JUDAISM) you will be damned to
eternal hellfire for saying, "No, I am not hiding Jews".
ETHICS and TRUE morality says, in this instance, it is essential to lie, and say,"No there are no jews here". Not only will it save the lives of
those innocent people, but will probably save your own, as well.
Do you see the difference? Which case would you do? Direct question there, and do not be intellectually dishonest. If you answer that you would lie
to save those people, you are more moral than the God of the bible is. For he would never lie, and allow those people to die, sentencing them to
death, himself, by his answer. Committing, essentially, murder, and likely, suicide.
And yet that is what you are commanding the people to face, is exactly that issue, when you try to use that argument for your favor.
How about another example... If you are a man who has lived an absolutely perfect life, according to the 10 commandments, living your entire life
free from "sin", you would be considered to go to heaven, according to your theology.
Then one year a famine comes to your country. Your children starve, and are on their last gasps, literally. Without a scrap of food they will die.
You, out of desperation to save their lives, steal a piece of bread and feed them. It is enough to get them through the famine, and from that moment
on, again, your life is perfectly in line with the 10 commandments.
Now... according to your theology, that person is doomed to eternal hellfire, punished for billions upon billions of years, in unending torture, for
stealing one piece of bread to save their child, in an otherwise absolutely perfect life.
How is that justice? How is that mercy? Again I will ask you, would YOU sentance someone to that, YOURSELF, in justice?
Don't be intellectually dishonest and try to pawn off that God is different, etc etc. Would YOU do it?
That's the questions that people need to ask, and it's tough, really tough.
By the way, if you read your bible closely, you'll find that the entire concept of hell and damnation did NOT come into being until after Jesus. The
concept is nowhere in the old testament, only the new. The jews had no conception of hell until then. You would be punished for your sins within
this life, and once you were dead, you were done. only upon Jesus's arrival did the concept of that eternal torture chamber come to be. Think about
Without the resurrection of Christ, Christianity has no existance. It is that one and only thing that is the whole basis of it all