The how and why of the JFK assassination, page 1
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Topic started on 31-12-2007 @ 04:09 PM by what-lies-beneith
The how is becoming clearer as more information comes to light. The physical and eyewitness evidence points to mulitiple sniper teams around Dealy Plaza. Testimony from James Files and others also confirms this scenario and the involvement of both the mob and the CIA.

www.jfkmurdersolved.com...

Why would the main intelligence and covert operations organization in the US and organized crime join forces to murder the President of the country?

A little background is needed to understand the links and why events led to John Kennedy being shot in Dallas in 1963.

First off there's the connection of the Kennedy family itself to organized crime in America. Reportedly JFKs father, Joe Kennedy, made most of his fortune running illegal alcohol into the east coast of the US during prohibition. He would have met and done business with some of the figures that later would form the mafia.

The CIA connection with the mob starts a little later during WW II when Lucky Luciano offered his services to the CIA forerunner the OSS on the New York waterfront after the bombing of a freighter there. A bomb that was probably planted by Luciano's men. The mafia cooperated with the OSS throughout the rest of WW II and reaped the benefits when it was allowed to assume control of much of Sicily after the Allied invasion.

We move on to the 1960 Presidential election between JFK and "tricky Dick" Nixon. It was one of the closest races in US history, one that JFK wouldn't have won without the help of organized crime. The mafia used its connections in the Teamsters and other unions to bring out several hundred thousands voters for Kennedys side. Maybe they thought with his family history he would be lenient on organized crime. The opposite happened as JFK appointed his brother Robert Attorney General and he soon started a major crackdown on the mob.

Then we come to Cuba. Under Eisenhower an operation had been underway for some time to train and equipe a force of Cuban exiles to invade and retake the country from Castro. In 1961 the operation was launched and soon got into difficulty as the Cuban airforce shot down the bombers provided to support the invasion. To succeed the operation needed the US Airforce to eliminate the Cuban airforce, something Kennedy was unwilling to do for fears of angering the Soviets. The invasion ended in a humiliating failure and some very powerful and influencial figures in the US were forced to resign. The head of the CIA at the time Allen Dulles and the man heading the operation for the CIA Richard Bissell both were forced to take responsibility for what many thought was Kennedys failure. He made some serious enemies in the intelligence community over the affair.

The mafia also had a large stake in pre-Castro Cuba running casinos there and lost a great deal of money after the communist takeover.

Kennedy was also opposed to a growing commitment in Vietnam and was planning on reducing the number of US servicemen there in 1965, not vastly increasing it as Johnson did. There was a great deal of pressure from the military, defence industry and CIA to create a growing conflict with the communist block, something Kennedy tried to avoid.

All these factors led to the decision by some of the most powerful and cynical figures in the US at the time that the sitting President of the US must be removed from office by assassination. The CIA had only weeks before Kennedys murder been involved in the same kind of operation in Vietnam where the apparently US friendly leader Diem was murdered by his own officers with the backing of the CIA because it was claimed he wasn't fighting the communists hard enough.

There's a reason the US intelligence community had its wings clipped in the 1970s. It was clearly out of control and we run the same risk now as Bush and Cheney repeat many of the same errors of the past.



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reply posted on 31-12-2007 @ 05:48 PM by St Udio
reply to post by Ambient Sound




Amen to that line of thopught...
i believe it was Executitive Order 1111 which made the U.S. Mint
the possessor & sole Issuer of these 'Silver Certificates'
(which incidently L.B.J. abolished and recalled on his flight back to DC
immediately after taking the Oath of Office as the replacement President)

? big Capital 'WHY'-->>why would LBJ be concerned with the $5 billion in Silver Certificate script already in circulation=
(brought about by JFKs order)...
at that heated and heady moment after JFKs assassination and national disequilibirium ??
~ sure makes one scratch their head in astonishment/bewilderment ~



reply posted on 31-12-2007 @ 06:20 PM by aleon1018
reply to post by what-lies-beneith

With all of the current conspiracies going on, JFK conspiracy is like an old candy wrapper. Spend more time on the UFO and ET aspect of these things which can go as far back literally as the scholars in the bible and the great pyramids. One documentary claimed that Jack and Bobby used to spend over an hour nodding without even saying a word. This thing about blaming just our greedy elite is redundant. This other can of worms is probably out of this world. Haven't you heard the term: OLd School? It makes me think of my childhood Weekly Reader. Listen to John Lears interview on Coast to Coast. You can find it on Youtube.


reply posted on 31-12-2007 @ 06:21 PM by Oldnslo
A good overview of the background events of the assassination. I doubt we will ever know, for sure, the planners or shooters. But there is physical evidence and direct observations from which we can draw conclusions.

On November 24, 1963, the head enginer of Ford Motor Company's Rouge Plant, glass department, reported to work, only to find his employees already at work removing the windshield from JFK's limosine. He stated that the windshield had a through and through bullet hole just below and to the left of the rear view mirror. He said it appeared to be from a .22 cal and with glass shards on the interior of the windshield, it indicated a point of origin to the front of the limosine. His employees told him they had received instructions to use the damaged windscreen as a template, and after the replacement was completed, the damaged widshield was to be destroyed. He was absolutely positive about what he saw. (Video available) He had kept his silence about this event until shortly before his death, as have many others.

In his Warren Commission testimony, SSA William Greer, JFK's limo driver, stated that after the first shot, he CLEARLY heard JFK say "my God, I've been hit". When asked how he knew it was JFK, he said he had been with the President personal detail, almost daily, for 3 years, and when not in public, it was just "Jack, Bill, or whoever". "I'd know that voice anywhere" But the Warren Commission ignored this and said the 1st shot missed and the 2nd hit both JFK and Gov. Connolly. Single Bullet Theory out the door. Typical of the Warren Commission, ignore the physical evidence and eyewitness testimony, and take as gospel government experts who only analyzed whatever evidence they were given. I mean, look at the cartridges found in the TSD, one is so damaged that it could not hold a bullet, be chambered or fired.

May I suggest posters take the time to read the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) Testimony (available online) of all eyewitnesses, to include Secret Service agents, Parkland Hospital personel, the X-ray techs and the photographer at the autopsy. It's a real wake up call to those not familiar with the facts and testimony of persons with direct access to JFK's body after the assassination. This has to be the starting point in any discussion of the JFK assassination because it shows the vast difference between the Warren Commisssion Report and actual observations and testimony of persons with 1st hand knowedge of the evidence.


reply posted on 1-1-2008 @ 08:43 PM by what-lies-beneith
I've always wondered why Warren and others cooperated with Johnson on the cover-up after the JFK assassination, now I think I understand.

In the weeks before the assassination Oswald was in Mexico trying to get a passport from the Soviet embassy there. His calls were recorded by the local CIA office as was another call of someone impersonating Oswald to the Cuban embassy. Oswald probably never knew of the other contact with the Cubans and a link was established before the Dallas shooting between Oswald and the communists. This would later be used to frighten anyone who had concerns about actions being taken by Johnson in regards to the assassination investigation.

www.pbs.org...

Over at the Justice Department, with Attorney General Robert Kennedy in mourning that weekend, Deputy Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach handled the case. He met with Hoover on Sunday, shortly after Jack Ruby had killed Oswald. Katzenbach then prepared a memo for Johnson's top aide, Bill Moyers, stating that the public had to be "satisfied" that Oswald had acted alone and that the "evidence" would have convicted him at a trial. Katzenbach warned that speculation about Oswald's motive had to be "cut off" and that the thought that the assassination was a communist conspiracy or a "right-wing conspiracy to blame it on the communists" had to be rebutted.24 After the Sunday meeting Hoover observed, "The thing I am concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin."


From the start people in a position to ask questions about the killing are being told that Oswald needed to be identified as the lone killer to save the country from annihilation in a war.

Earl Warren wanted no part of the commission Johnson was setting up till Johnson informed him the survival of the nation was at stake. Johnson claimed that Warren actually cried at the meeting:

Chief Justice Warren also refused at first to take the job even after both Robert Kennedy and Archibald Cox had asked him. In his talk with Russell, Johnson told Russell he had "ordered" Warren to come to the White House and in that meeting Warren had twice refused the president's request. LBJ continued, "And I just pulled out what Hoover told me about a little incident in Mexico City." The president told Warren this would make it look like Khrushchev and Castro killed Kennedy. LBJ said that Warren started crying and agreed to take the assignment.27 In a 1972 documentary for public television Warren himself told the same story—except for the tears. He said that Johnson felt the argument that Khrushchev and Castro had killed Kennedy might mean nuclear war. Warren said he responded, "Well, Mr. President, if in your opinion it is that bad, surely my personal views don't count."


There are plots within plots here, it's no wonder researchers have such a hard time sorting out what really happened. I doubt the Mexico CIA station knew what was going on, or Oswald either for that matter. The CIA had people impersonating him to further establish a link to the USSR and Cuba after he was fingered for the shooting and probably in other cases as well. It really does look like he was what he claimed... a patsy.

Don't think I'm going to post on this anymore, this is actually starting to frighten me.



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reply posted on 1-1-2008 @ 10:45 PM by jackinthebox
JFK was killed for $5 billion. I am trying to find info on where the actual silver went after Johnson recalled the notes, but have found nothing, surprise surprise. The people who own the Federal Reserve killed him, likely conspiring with others who had reason to kill him as well.

Other than Marilyn Monroe, there was another female who lost her life because of her close relationship with JFK. I forget the whole story right now, but she was not just another actress. She had powerful connections in Wahington. They found her dead one morning dumped next to the river. The head of CIA counterintelligence was the first person at her place after she was killed and was tearing the place apart looking for something, her diary if I remember correctly.

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reply posted on 27-12-2008 @ 10:41 AM by switching yard
Opinion... the JFK hit was produced and carried out by a super-secret, black ops faction of CIA. Ruby's hit on "Oswald" was an add-on by the same group with assistance from the Chicago mafia.

"Oswald" was sheep dipped, indeed a patsy, and didn't shoot anybody. Somehow, I think he was supposed to have been rubbed out in the immediate aftermath of the JFK hit so that the case would have been nicely wrapped up without any need for Ruby to kill the patsy, but something went wrong necessitating Ruby's stalking of and killing "Oswald". I think the mob was only used to put psychological pressure on Ruby to do the job.

I, too, am of the opinion that the silver certificates issue was the main catalyst of the "why" but I think there were multiple reasons. The Vietnam War was supposed to be a profit engine for certain sectors of the economy and those having direct interests in that wanted very badly for that war to go forward and a couple trillion spent on it (which was the case after LBJ gave the green light).

The JFK hit itself... triangulation of fire by snipers, the killing shot coming from an assassin dressed as a Dallas policeman, the "tramps" used as visual decoys, and so forth. It's possible, I think, that "Oswald" was supposed to report to the Texas theater or some other location and was supposed to have been killed before being captured.

My really far out theory... the family histories of Oswald and Marina were manufactured by CIA. They were control subjects from childhood. Look at their birth years and realize they could have been offspring of Nazis during the Lebensborn project (have a baby for the Fatherland). "Oswald" always looked a bit like Himmler in photos and with that terse smirk he had --- just like Himmler's) and Marina looked somewhat like Goering. Weird theory, I know. These kids could have been brought over in deep cover by the OSS and lived in safe houses run by CIA. These control subjects with fake histories would have made internal sleeper cells for use in secret operations.

"Oswald" and Marina had CIA controllers and their pasts were made up. "Oswald" never entered the Soviet Union and the photos of him and Marina inside Russia were of doubles. I think "Oswald" and Marina were both convinced that they were working for CIA and in fact were. They just didn't know how they would ultimately be used.

The "brother" of "Oswald" wrote a biography that reads like a plagiarized version of the popular novel of the early 1960's... "Psycho". Of course, CIA/FBI propagandists wanted the American public to think Oswald's motivation was that he was an unstable psycho case --- the lone nut. I think the bona fides (family history documents) of Oswald and Marina are fakes, forgeries, manufactured.

I think lots of insiders who could have verified the above concepts were eliminated within a few years of the assassination. The one guy who could have spilled at a later date was George de Morenschildt but he too was silenced before revealing anything (a faked "suicide").

I've always thought, from day one of the assassination, that all the major players were playing parts as in a theatrical play. Oswald was not who he seemed to be and neither was Marina, Ruby, Marguerite Oswald, etc, etc.

Read the book "Lee" by Robert Oswald, Lee's "brother" and see if it doesn't read like propaganda to make you think "oh, Lee was a nut case all right!" It was all B.S.
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