replyto post by johnsky
Know thy enemy . . First, let me begin by assuring you I am no terrorist sympathizer. I do, however, have an uncanny ability to place myself in other
peoples shoes, to understand them. It is after all the first step in defeating an enemy, to understand them. It is my goal here, to open the eyes of
at least a few to the reasoning of Martyrdom.
Empathy. I also share your ability to empathize with others, Mr J/Sky, especially the down-trodden. The dispossessed. The left behind. We have a
country full of those people. You do not have to go abroad to find them. A half million part-time homeless, mentally ill, disabled. And etc.
Now, lets take your life and transform it to match theirs. Your country has just been invaded. The invasion has left you without a job. You
have no income, and no means of feeding yourself short of taking what you want from those who can feed themselves. Your friends, either imprisoned or
dead, are not there. Your family, dead, imprisoned, fighting, or on their death bed. You have no-one to turn to, your entire world has been viciously
destroyed, and there is no hope in sight. There is quite frankly, nothing left... no reason to live, no reason to hope...no reason... other than
This scenario may account for some of the martyrs. But the ones you are describing here are local homegrown Iraqis. I am under the impression that
many if not most of the suicide bombers are from out of town. Regardless how the martyrs break down, we are faced with two distinct wars in Iraq.
There is the Civil War between rival Iraqi factions largely divided along religious lines, both inter and intra. This is the one we missed in our
pre-war planning. If we had dealt with the Iraqi army differently, we might have avoided it. OTOH, due to the lengthy history of Hussein using the
minority Sunni to dominate a majority Shia country may have put that goal beyond our grasp. Now we will never know.
Our only strategy (so far) is to remain in Iraq as long as it takes for the Iraqi Army to gain capability to put down the Civil War and the Iraqi
Police to become sufficiently trained to keep insurgents out of the country. Sort of a problem we have with our own southern border. Keeping people
out is not as easy as it may sound. Wall or no wall.
The foreigners who are coming into Iraq to fight Americans are a different breed. I hesitate to say ‘al Qaeda’ because that is not the only group
that resents the US intrusion into the Arab world. I suppose you know that Abu Musab al Zarqawi, a Jordanian who headed up a smallish insurgent group
was murdered by the US Special Ops forces after being captured alive but wounded on June 7, 2006 - say hello Ernesto “Che” Guevara in Bolivia,
another US casualty. See Note 1.
We could not afford another side-show in Baghdad like the Saddam trial had turned into.
To his everlasting disgrace, Pres. Bush has repeatedly tried to START a War of Religion or a War of Cultures. For him, it means he would always be
Commander in Chief who the sycophant AG Alberto Gonzales told him meant he had UNLIMITED power to do anything he deemed necessary to save the country.
Read US Con. Art. 2, Section 2. “The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the
several states, when called into the actual service of the United States . . “ He is not GOD nor is he the MAXIMUM RULER of the Country. He is
C-in-C of the Armed Forces to avoid the problem “who is in charge here?”
You cannot tell me for one instant that you would not be desperate for revenge in these circumstances. The problem is, you have no possible
means of standing toe to toe with such a powerful army as the one who took your country. Your rifle is no match for the rockets and missiles they can
unleash on you without ever seeing your face. You cannot leave the country (or what’s left of it), no neighboring country is willing to open the
borders to such chaos. Then a group contacts you. They give you the one last desperate means of taking the revenge you have been so desperate to
attain. You could care less what their motives are, you just want your revenge. And so, with nothing left to live for, and only revenge on your mind,
you get as close as you can to those who killed your friends and family, and you take them down with you.
Arabs enjoy life as much as Euro types. Families do not want to give up their teen age sons or daughters. But when one side has all the advantage in
methods of killing and destroying, then the other side is reduced to what I call the WEAPON OF LAST RESORT. The suicide bomber. It has been an Arab
tradition even before they became Muslims to make an HONORARIUM or gift to the family of any young man who gave his life in the service of his people.
Much the same way we do here with the VA survivors benefits. (GI Insurance pays $250,000 on death). Or social security benefits. It happens that in
the Middle East, the stipend was $25,000.00. Saddam often gave that sum to the family but if he did not, then King Hussein of Jordan or some Prince of
the Saudi royal family would send the money. But no one was bargaining for money to kill others. Arabs like Americans have hired killers, but they
are not paid in public.
Yes, Martyrdom is disgusting. It's almost unthinkable what someone who has been forced outside of sanity will do to end it all.
Well, wait up now, Mr J/Sky. We have the Congressional Medal of Honor for our own young men who charge a machine gun to save their fellow soldiers or
Marines. Or fall on a hand grenade. That is why we use YOUNG men in the Army. OLD men will not do that. Young men will. If properly trained and
motivated. I speak as a former Army National Guardsman and then an active duty US Air Force enlistee. We do it too. Reward personal sacrifice.
And now a gruesome task. When will US KIAs reach the 4,000 mark? Since March 18, 2003, until today, January 8, 2008, is 1,744 days.
As of today we have sustained 3,917 KIA. Using those numbers, I forecast that our 4,000 KIA will happen on March, 9, 2008. But no earlier than
February 22 or later than April 1. Gruesome. Let’s hope they have not died in vain. For reference, December 7, 1941, to September 2, 1945, is 1,265
days. Have we forgot how to fight a war?
We should remember their sacrifice every time we fill up at the gas pump. Now we know what VP Cheney and the SECRET energy meeting just after the
inauguration was all about. Oil.
Musab al-Zarqawi was believed to have led al-Tawhid Wal-Jihad, which later became the group called “al Qaeda in Iraq” until his death
in June, 2006. Every time our media repeat t his group’s name, al Qaeda gets free advertising whether or not Osama bin Laden has any forces in Iraq.
And naive Americans remain confused.
[edit on 1/9/2008 by donwhite]