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Originally posted by rockets red glare
Hitler's Nazis were ardent socialists. They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education. They purged the church from public policy, supported abortion and gun control
What liberals have you ever met that espoused racism, oppression and that the citizen serve the government??
Liberals are always lobbying for freedom
equality for all
Originally posted by xpert11
To start with Hitler was a right winger who hated Socialists(SP?) and trade unionists as much as he did communists .
Originally posted by radardog
I didn't see the OP mention Hitler directly - I could have missed it. Maybe the comparison of socialist states strikes a nerve.
Originally posted by xpert11
Radardog your reading to much into the name of the party which as you have already noted Hitler joined rather then started the Nazi party. North Korea is the shortened version of Democratic People's Republic of Korea . Now there is nothing Democratic about North Korea. Hitler was Socialist in name only.
Wages were determined by the ministry of national economy. Government officials, called trustees of labor and appointed by the minister of national economy, handled all questions relating to wages and hours and conditions of work. The trade associations of business owners and industrialists of the Weimar Republic were transformed into organs of state control. Membership by employers was compulsory. Supervision of these associations was vested in the ministry of national economy, which had the power to recognize trade organizations as the sole representatives of their respective branches of industry, organize new associations, dissolve or merge existing ones, and appoint and recall the leaders of all the associations. Through the exercise of these powers and also as specifically empowered by law, the ministry of economy greatly expanded existing cartels and cartelized entire industries. The banks were similarly “coordinated.” Private property rights were preserved, and previously nationalized enterprises were “reprivatized”—that is, returned to private ownership but all owners were subject to rigid state controls.
Trade unions were abolished, as was collective bargaining
By your faulty logic I could claim to be a Christian despite the fact I am an Atheist . It wouldn't matter that I hold the view that a higher power doesn't exist because I claim to be a Christian that is what I am.
The question is how much regulation the private sector should face but that is another topic .
“Fascists,” “Brown shirts,” “jack booted storm troopers”… conservatives are all too frequently tarred with such insulting labels. It’s a way to cast conservative views as being somehow “beyond the political pale.” Not only are the slurs unfair, they are historically misplaced as well. fascists hail from the left.
An international movement, fascism took on different forms in different countries, reflecting the vagaries of national culture and temperament. Hitler's Nazis were ardent socialists. They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education. They purged the church from public policy, supported abortion and gun control, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life. While fascism in Germany found its ultimate expression as genocidal, racist nationalism, in America, it assumed a “friendlier” form. Many fascist tenets were espoused by American progressives like John Dewey and Woodrow Wilson, and FDR incorporated many of the movement’s policies in the New Deal. If this observation sounds strange to modern ears, it’s only because most Americans have forgotten the policies and principles that truly define fascism.
Well one can safely assume that anybody that subscribes to his/her logic has not read a history book. Hitler and Stalin rest on the extreme opposite of the political spectrum. To start with Hitler was a right winger who hated Socialists and trade unionists as much as he did communists. Under Albert Speer and others the use of private sector and slave labor drove the German war economy.
Posting BS from a right wing American websites will not change historical fact. If you want sources to back up my assertions don't bother looking on Wikipedia instead spend a couple days at a library reading the relevant books.
You seem to be unaware of what the definition of fascism is. Your entire argument looks like this: "I hate liberals. I also hate Nazis. Therefore liberals are Nazis." Nazis were about as far from socialist as Kim Jong Il is from being a democratically elected leader. You could have learned this by opening a book. One by actual historians or even contemporary writers . . socialist policies, such as instituted under both Roosevelt presidencies in the United States.