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Michael Savage going for the jugular of the Council on American-Islamic relations

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posted on Jan, 1 2008 @ 01:08 PM
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personally, i've come to the same conclusion as mr. lear.
99% of all talking heads have an agenda.
DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!!!! think for yourself!




posted on Jan, 1 2008 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by LiamStemrad





But your views of him being some kind of tool of Israel is childish, and even stranger to believe than an atmosphere on the moon.



I used to have to listen to him everyday because there was nothing else on the radio between 4 and 6 when I was driving back and forth to the mine.

I finally got tired of his insane vocal rampages against arabs, muslims and Palestinians. I believe Mr. Weiner and his Mossad handlers came up with the word "Islamofascist." I believe he was the first one to start using it.


Good God, man...don't make the mistakes of Hollywood entertainers and celebrities that lose 1/2 their fan base because of their twisted politics.


Thanks for the input.


Stick to the moon....or just move there and save us all the headache.
After all, you can breathe without a helmet, right?


I'll be there soon enough...and no, I won't need a helmut.



posted on Jan, 1 2008 @ 01:16 PM
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How can Michael Savage be labeled a neocon if he consistently calls Bush the worst president ever?

Regarding tax exemption, he's going after MediaMatters next.

Y'all need to listen to his show more often.



posted on Jan, 1 2008 @ 01:59 PM
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A neocon is someone who believes American military power should be used to rearrange the map of the middle east, not someone who is a fan of George Bush. Bush's role now is to be the flak-catcher for all the critics. Savage is merely acknowledging the obvious--that everyone else hates Bush too, and he wants to ride that wave.



posted on Jan, 1 2008 @ 02:11 PM
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Alxandro- Happy New Year to you, friend.

John Lear- you didn't have to listen to him...you wanted to. He does not have anything against PEACEFUL Arabs, or Palestinians, etc.

He is not a bigot if he hates terrorists of any stripe. He dislikes the same evil hate-filled Islamists that want to wipe out anyone who doesn't share their interpretation of the "faith".

John...those people that Mr. Savage "hates" want to kill YOU and your family. He hates them for that reason, that's all. I'm surprised you don't.

As far as your moon voyage, it will be a "helmet" that you will need, not a "helmut". Unless there's some other type of HELMET I haven't heard of yet.

As far as my views, I do believe there are beings from other worlds out there. I've had a lifetime (44 years) of exposure to them, for whatever reason. It has been pretty rough at times, over the years, but I like to think of them as God's creations. Maybe angels, or something.

Because of what I've experienced, I do feel the U.S. govt, as well as other nation's governments, have an agenda to hide the truth, for our own good, they think. Because of my belief, I share many of your views of conspiracy and secrecy. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that many of what you claim about the moon is on target, and close to the truth.

That said, until someone presents me with compelling evidence about George Bush being evil, and a bad President for our country, I will defend him as my Commander-in-Chief, and leader of the free world. (Free world is just a term I'll use here....)

So....although we will have to agree to disagree on our political views, I do respect you and your father. I'd like to know if you've posted anything regarding Bill Clinton's connections to Mena airport shenanigans, possibly involving the CIA and other agencies. Anything to all that?

Happy New Year



posted on Jan, 1 2008 @ 02:13 PM
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For clarity, my last post to John Lear is about his view of Michael Savage, and his radio talk show. I'm not sure if that came across in that last post.



posted on Jan, 1 2008 @ 02:23 PM
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To Last Time Here-

I agree that "talking heads", as you put it, do have an agenda. It's to make their radio stations and advertisers money. Plain and simple.

But Michael Savage is passionate about what he believes. You wouldn't know that unless you've heard his program, even just a little bit.

Give him a chance...tune in and see for yourself. He hates those that deserve hatred...killers that want you and your family to die today.

It really IS that simple. Michael Savage wants his family to survive terrorism...is that such a bad thing?

I agree with him



posted on Jan, 1 2008 @ 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by LiamStemrad




I'd like to know if you've posted anything regarding Bill Clinton's connections to Mena airport shenanigans, possibly involving the CIA and other agencies. Anything to all that?



I posted a lot about Mena. Mena used to be the center of incoming illegal drugs brought in by the CIA and other U.S. Government agencies.

Operation Just Cause in Panama was initiated because Noriega threatened George Bush the First with exposure of his complicity in the drug running and after Barry Seal was murdered I think they phased Mena out, but I really don't know.

I believe that most drugs are now shipped from South America by U.S. Navy submarines up from Columbia and from Afghanistan by U.S. Air Force airplanes.

I don't know why people have so much trouble with this drug thing. The U.S. Government has to run most of the illegal drugs themselves world wide because they don't want anybody else getting a leg up either financially or politically.

If someone other than the U.S. were to get their hands on that kind of money or politcal power they just might go around bombing anybody they wanted including themselves to prove how dangerous terrorists were.



posted on Jan, 1 2008 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by LiamStemrad



It really IS that simple. Michael Savage wants his family to survive terrorism...is that such a bad thing?

I agree with him


Well here's the problem. We (the U.S.) have created most of the terrorists and terrorism in the world. They created the problem so they could take away our liberties to allegedly 'fight' them.

And with the help of MI6 and James Angleton of CIA's Rome station we helped creat the Mossad (in 1947) which is the only 'true' terrorist organization on this planet.

All the other so-called 'terrorist' organizations are third rate copy-cats.

Happy New Year!



posted on Jan, 1 2008 @ 03:13 PM
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Savage is going to lose his lawsuit against CAIR. While it is illegal to sue people in order to harass them, the bar one must go over for their suit to be legitimate is set very low. CAIR can also claim fair use when it uses portions of Savage's show.

Under copyright law, one is allowed to use another's copyrighted materials if the use is fair use. Fair use is determined by looking at i) the ammount of the copyrighted material copied, ii) the nature of the use, and iii) the effect of the use on the market for the copyrighted work. These three factors favor CAIR.

CAIR is using only portions of Savage's shows, as opposed to using entire shows. CAIR is using Savage's shows to engage in criticism and political debate, which weighs in favor of fair use. CAIR's use of Savage's show is not affecting Savage economically in that people are not going to CAIR to hear Savage as opposed to tuning into his show.



posted on Jan, 1 2008 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
Well here's the problem. We (the U.S.) have created most of the terrorists and terrorism in the world. They created the problem so they could take away our liberties to allegedly 'fight' them.

You cannot be serious.

That must be one of the most uniformed comments I have heard in a long time. If this is really how you think then it does not bode well for your other theories.



posted on Jan, 1 2008 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by starviego
A neocon is someone who believes American military power should be used to rearrange the map of the middle east, not someone who is a fan of George Bush.

And what would you call it when a certain group of extremists are trying to rearrange the map of the entire world at knifepoint/swordpoint?

There might come a time when you may be asked to convert or die (lose your head, literally) and that's only if you are Jew or Christian.
If you are a feminist, gay or an athiest your only option will be the latter.



Savage is merely acknowledging the obvious--that everyone else hates Bush too, and he wants to ride that wave.


Wrong again, just because you may go with the flow doesn't mean everyone else does. Michael Savage does not discuss defining moments of our time from a popularity contest view point. If he did he would not be in this situation now.

He is being targetted by CAIR because he was the one that almost single handidly exposed the DuBai ports deal.
He deserves some thanks for this alone.



posted on Jan, 1 2008 @ 04:02 PM
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CAIR is using only portions of Savage's shows, as opposed to using entire shows. CAIR is using Savage's shows to engage in criticism and political debate, which weighs in favor of fair use. CAIR's use of Savage's show is not affecting Savage economically in that people are not going to CAIR to hear Savage as opposed to tuning into his show.

and where does this not infringe in free speech??
wheras CAIR seem to stifle anything they deem to be repressive to any kinda agenda they are rollin on

cair do have a very messy past and future i think (but i have only been passively looking at them for a few years )



posted on Jan, 1 2008 @ 05:43 PM
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Thanks, John.

Your point about the illegal drug running by the U.S. makes sense.

The same could apply to WMDs, or nukes. We must control those for the same reasons as the drugs. So no one else can. It's all about control.

I do think the CIA and other agencies have the U.S. and her interests at heart when making tough decisions....MOST of the time. We are the sole super power, but I do think we're "in bed" with other nations (France, U.K., Russia, etc) to fight the bigger fight. Future cosmic battles?

Gen. MacArthur said it best, in the 50's, in an interview. He said WWIII would be fought against air forces from other planets. Don't recall the exact quote, but you know what I'm getting at. (What info did HE have to make this statement?)

If our govt. is hiding secrets about E.T.s, they most likely share SOME of those with other countries...it's about defending Earth. The added benefit of this would be that other nations would assume we aren't divulging EVERY secret to them, and they might think we have really advanced technology, from the aliens, that would be used against our military enemies if they mess with us too much. Just one theory.

On a side note, my cousin in Florida has a business restoring and re-wiring and re-upholstering executive jets, mostly Lear. Thanks for providing the public a great product.



posted on Jan, 1 2008 @ 05:56 PM
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I forgot to mention something, John, in my last post.

You had stated that the U.S. has created most terrorists and terrorism in the world, to then have a vehicle to take away our rights under the guise of fighting said terrorism.

Correct me if I took it out of context, but I think that is basically what you said.

I really don't think the U.S. purposely "creates" terrorists. But I agree that because we ARE the sole superpower, and because we ARE free to do what we want, and because we ARE free to practice religion of choice, and because our women vote, and because we have porn, and the list goes on and on.....it's an ideology that many others HATE. In some ways, they might even be jealous of our freedoms. That makes us targets of terrorism, and I hope that's what you meant. That our way of life here in the west is what "creates" terrorists.

We're the most amazing success story on the face of the planet, the U.S. is. The best fighting machine on the planet, our military is. The best economy, etc. etc. We are envied, and some of the little guys want to knock us off our high horse.

Plus, I think there are those in some third world countries that think we DO have the goods on UFOs, etc, (and the related technology,) and that it makes us evil in their eyes.



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 08:59 AM
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CAIR officials convicted of terrorism related charges:
(1) Bassem Khafagi, former director of community relations, convicted on fraud and terrorism charges.
(2) Randall Todd "Ismail" Royer, former communications specialist and civil rights coordinator, sentenced to 20 years in prison for training people as "holy warriors" to attack the United States.
(3) Ghassan Elashi, former board member of the Texas chapter of CAIR, convicted on federal terrorism charges.
(4) Abdurahman Alamoudi, former CAIR director, is serving 23 years in federal prison for plotting terrorism.
(a) Siraj Wahha, a member of CAIR's advisory board, was named as one of the "unindicted persons who may be alleged as co-conspirators" in the attempt to blow up New York City monuments (lack of evidence, never charged.)
(b) Muthanna al-Hanooti, CAIR director, had his home raided by the FBI in 2007, as part of an active terrorism investigation.
(c) Other CAIR officials who have been investigated or are under current investigation are: Hamza Yusuf, Rabith Hadid, Rafeeq Jaber, Mohamed Nimer, Nihad Awad, Laura Jaghlit, (and others.)



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by FredT
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If everyone agreed with me then the world would be a much much better place IMHO. Fredland would be the place to be
The sky would be blue with big fluffy clouds!!!!

[edit on 12/31/07 by FredT]


Becker is correct. The quote above is an example of the elitism that exists on the left at its worst. They have already figured everything out. No need for the rest of us mental midgets to even bother. All we need to do is just send them our taxes and let them take care of us. The true test, however, is that they often don't think they need to follow their own rules or philosophies - that's just for the "unenlightened" little people. Example of this: Al Gore



Pardon me, but I'll just continue to think (not feel) for myself.


IMHO, Savage can go pretty far off on tangents - which is why I rarely listen to him. However, underneath all his bluster is a foundation of truth that IMO needs to be considered. Which is why some hate him so much.

[edit on 1/2/2008 by centurion1211]



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 01:34 PM
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Everyone has an agenda. He who would tell you that he doesn't is either a liar or not smart enough to know what an agenda is.



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by nought but clout
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and where does this not infringe in free speech??
wheras CAIR seem to stifle anything they deem to be repressive to any kinda agenda they are rollin on

cair do have a very messy past and future i think (but i have only been passively looking at them for a few years )


CAIR is not violating Savage's copyright rights by using portions of Savage's shows to criticize Savage, so Savage cannot successfully sue them for copyright infringement. You may very well be right that CAIR uses lawsuits to harass Savage and other people who air views that CAIR does not agree with. You may also be right in that CAIR and others like them should not be able to file suits to harass people who air controversial views. Unfortunately, a court is not going to see things your way.

Whether you like it or not, a court is not going to sanction CAIR for filing harassing lawsuits because CAIR can make a somewhat plausible argument that its case is legitimate, and that is all that they need to do to avoid sanction.

This is unfortunately how the American legal system works. It is very easy to file a suit against someone and put the screws to people. People file lawsuits to extort money out of people all the time.



posted on Jan, 2 2008 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211
Becker is correct. The quote above is an example of the elitism that exists on the left at its worst. They have already figured everything out. No need for the rest of us mental midgets to even bother. All we need to do is just send them our taxes and let them take care of us. The true test, however, is that they often don't think they need to follow their own rules or philosophies - that's just for the "unenlightened" little people. Example of this: Al Gore

Excellent post!

I agree with everything you said in the statement. Good job.



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