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Islam, Religion of Peace and a stack of Dead Bodies

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posted on Dec, 31 2007 @ 04:30 AM
I was just shown this link off an arrowhead collecting site: Blazing a bright light on not only who, but what the free world is up against...

posted on Dec, 31 2007 @ 05:15 AM
That's nothing! Check out this completely unbiased and factual forum discussing the truth of Judaism that I found while looking for peach cobbler recipes!


...Ah crap, is my sarcasm showing again?

Edit: Huh. My favorite crazy bigot knucklehead site can't be linked, but his crazy bigot knucklehead site is all clear? How strange.

[edit on 31-12-2007 by TheWalkingFox]

posted on Dec, 31 2007 @ 09:35 AM
Ahh...Maybe because the articals on this site are pulled from the mainstream news???...And if I'm a bigot and a knucklehead for sharing this link, well to bad....Cry me a River, Build a Bridge...and Get over it...

posted on Dec, 31 2007 @ 09:39 AM
Wow, interesting website, thanks for sharing it.

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, ... nor follow
the religion of truth... until they pay the tax in acknowledg-ment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."
Qur'an, Sura 9:29

I saw this quote on this website, is this really stated in a book? If so, then that's hell of a scary and inhumane religion.

[edit on 31-12-2007 by TheoOne]

posted on Dec, 31 2007 @ 09:42 AM
the site may cite legitimate sources, but for a clearly bigoted message.

by the way... um... why is christianity any better?
or hinduism?
or just about any other religion... (except buddhists, they're always cool and it's quite obvious)

i mean, you need to be equal opportunity here, when you call one religion bad you have to look at all the others with the same discerning eye.

islam is violent
so is christianity. in fact, the bible has more violence in it than the koran (granted, that's more a matter of the bible being longer)

edit: i'd like to point out why this is a crazy bigot site

Islam: The Angry Beggar at the Feast (Sultan Knish)

In our opinion Islam is more of an angry drunk, but the article proves its point.

sure, the site openly states not to hate individual muslims, but it's just a one sided bash site against a religion.

[edit on 12/31/07 by madnessinmysoul]

posted on Dec, 31 2007 @ 09:51 AM

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
by the way... um... why is christianity any better?

That's a tangent and doesn't change the effect of the subject. If I said Charles Manson was evil would you refute that with "Hitler murdered more people"? You point is off-topic and does nothing to refute the claims of the site in question.

but it's just a one sided bash site against a religion.

There's nothing wrong with having strong opinions on a subject if you can back them up with proper evidence. Mother's Against Drunk Driving cite one news article after another about how drunks kill innocent people. Is that just a drunk bashing site?

These are common tactics to divert and deflect the conversation away from the topic. Nice try, but I'm not buying it. Does the site in question post false information?

[edit on 31-12-2007 by dbates]

posted on Dec, 31 2007 @ 10:45 AM

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
by the way... um... why is christianity any better?
or hinduism?

Hinduism? Yeah, they're just killing all kinds of people, madness. I mean to tell ya.

posted on Dec, 31 2007 @ 11:10 AM
MadnessinmySoul.... Yeah but there is only ONE religion TODAY thats wants you and me DEAD. I could care less what someone's believes in, dont try to KILL me, and my way of life, because I'm not of your "religion"....You call it being a bigot... I call it understanding WHO wants the western world destroyed.

posted on Dec, 31 2007 @ 11:45 AM
Risking one liner -
Edited out - I guess it was going off topic.

[edit on 12/31/2007 by FlyersFan]

posted on Dec, 31 2007 @ 11:50 AM

Originally posted by dbates
Does the site in question post false information?

I'm not an expert but I'll say that I haven't seen any. It's definately one sided, but I haven't seen anything false. It gathers evidence and news stories from around the world and compiles them into one place. When lumped together like that, it definately makes an impression.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
why is christianity any better?

Christians, for the most part, have gotten over the 'let's take over the world by force and make it all Christian'. They aren't blowing themselves up and promising to wipe entire countries off the map simply because they worship God differently.

1,000 years ago they threatened that. But Christians have, for the most part, moved on from that mentality. I'm sure you can find a few that think that way .. but FOR THE MOST PART, they don't.

[edit on 12/31/2007 by FlyersFan]

posted on Dec, 31 2007 @ 11:53 AM

Seriously, does anyone, ANYONE, want to discuss the subject? I don't see Christianity in the thread title anywhere. Could it be that there are no valid arguements to refute the OP's question? I guess so.

[edit on 31-12-2007 by dbates]

posted on Dec, 31 2007 @ 11:57 AM
At the risk of a 'one liner' -
Did I hijack?
Sorry. Didn't think I did.

posted on Dec, 31 2007 @ 01:41 PM
[edit on 31-12-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

posted on Dec, 31 2007 @ 02:22 PM
It's pretty obvious that this site is extremely one sided and aims at pointing out the evil side of Islam. The same thing happens with everything that is dependent on man. You can look out there and see many more acts of kindness done by Muslims.

And, there are as many happy kind statements to be found in the Quran as there are ones speaking of violence in any form. And you should note that any time there is mention of violence, it's in defense of one's people from persecution, and is never in forcing conversion to Islam.

It should also be mentioned (although told to avoid by dbates) that Christianity has the same dark side. So do other religious and political belief systems, like socialism and capitalism. This is not meant to go shot for shot, but to show that anything belief held in the hands of us flawed humans is going to have it's corrupt sides.

That swings both ways too. People are always going to be fearful of what's different. And, as long as people separate themselves into subcategories, whether it's a political or religious belief, or a country, or whatever, there's going to be those who will fear them offhand and look for any excuse to persecute them.

It's been millennia but the song remains the same.

posted on Dec, 31 2007 @ 02:23 PM
reply to post by dbates

I see this as spin - of course religions have extremists, and some more than others.

These all seem like properly sourced and researched links, so I guess their message is that Islam is not the peaceful religion muslim moderates say it is.

And there lies the problem IMO - a line needs to be drawn between moderates and extremists - this site spins the extremist side, which is never a pretty sight or a pretty message.

I'd also question the OP's use of "the free world" - as if the "western" world is any less violent.

I expect there is an Islamic site which says pretty much the same thing about our leaders and the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, and can point to just as many if not more atrocities.

[edit on 31/12/2007 by budski]

posted on Dec, 31 2007 @ 02:30 PM
reply to post by TheoOne

wow what a fudged up site
supprised they havent said Santa is real.

lets show the real verses and the whole verses which have been edited and cropped by the morons on the site

Tax is paid by those that didnt fight and defend the land to pay for those that were fighting to protect the land and the people.
or is that unfair? they dont want to fight but be excempt from helping at all in any shape or form?

read that

great explenations and guess what its not mix and match it actuily has the full verses so its not manipulated by some moron with an agenda on that site

another site

i normaly dont reply to these topics as nothing irratates me more then is people using sexed up words and paragraphs to push their agenda

i wont reply to this anymore as i have said my peace

posted on Dec, 31 2007 @ 02:36 PM
reply to post by SpeakerofTruth

actuily Gujrat riots
Hindus killed hundreds of muslims because they thought a accidentel fire was caused by muslims,

the Indian national party (the hardline hindu group) was under scrutiny for failure to act when this happend aswell

so not really that peacefull (all faiths have their nut jobs)

[edit on 31-12-2007 by bodrul]

posted on Dec, 31 2007 @ 02:39 PM
Thanks for your input, bodrul - from the website you've provided, here's what I managed to come across -

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
- Sura 9:29

Is there any difference between this and that quote on this thereligionofpeace website? But again, I don't know too much about quran or religion, so...

[edit on 31-12-2007 by TheoOne]

posted on Dec, 31 2007 @ 02:42 PM
BTW, I was told that it was muslims who burned down the Great Library of Alexandria, is this true?

posted on Dec, 31 2007 @ 02:44 PM
reply to post by TheoOne

diffrence is
that the quote was taken from one place and then used on its own
to understand one verse you have to look at which chapter its from and all the verses in it,

Religion of peace have the strange habbit of picking bits from diffrent sections and using it on its own to push their agenda.

hence why i gace two sites as it has the full verses and one even explains most of what their verses mean

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