reply to post by madnessinmysoul
Most of that stuff is just an attempt at character assasination. No real refutation for those who don't accept the 'official' story of Creation.
It boils down to what you put your faith in.
[edit on 7-4-2008 by Clearskies]
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reply to post by Clearskies
it points out the many, many places where kent hovind displays ignorance of scientific fact and misrepresents information.
i don't see how that's character assassination.
example:
they take a quote from hovind or one of his videos:
 "According to the Big Bang the universe was started by a cosmic explosion somewhere [sic] between 10 and 20 billion years ago, which hurled
matter in all directions." [1]
-Kent Hovind
and then they point out how it's wrong:
Within one sentence two important misrepresentations are made. First, the Big Bang is not claimed to be an explosion like a grenade, rather an
expansion like a cake in the oven. It is claimed that space/time itself expanded in all directions. Second, the Big Bang model does not propose matter
existed at the very beginning of the universe. In conclusion, according to the Big Bang model, the universe did not explode and there were no pieces
of matter flying around like shrapnel.[4]
that is called exposing fraud
[edit on 4/7/08 by madnessinmysoul]
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Here, now, I will do my best impression of an evolutionist:
Me: So, tell me your belief.
Evo: Ok, here goes you foolish believing in A God without any evidence person dude. I believe the universe started with a big bang. Evidence shows
that the universe is spreading. Galaxies are moving away from each other. This means everything must have been packed together at the start then a
wonderful event took place that sent everything in all directions, and this has been happening for billions of years. Life formed, then the process
of evolution took over. We don't know how life started in the universe, nor do we know where everything that is in the universe originated from.
We're still working on solving that mystery. We have theories for something, and others we just don't know.
Me: I see, so, essentially you are saying that the universe as we know it had a beginning, you "just don't know" what was before the big bang, you
"just don't know" where all of the atoms came from that forms everything in the universe, and you "just don't know" how life can form from the
non living. Finally, you believe the theory of evolution is correct, where a seemingly simple form of life one day decided that it was morphing time
power ranger style and after billions of years here we are today where amazingly enough just one species out of countless on the earth is intelligent
beings while the other millions decided they were bored with morphing time and to not go the distance. Am I correct?
Evo: Exactly! That's the beauty of evolution. We were selected, by um an unintelligent evolution process, or pure chance in other words, to form into
humans. You and I could easily be reptiles at the moment had evolution gone that path instead.
Me: I see. So it is logic to you then that everything we see around us including the universe didn't require a creator, and you just don't know what
there was before the big bang or the universe in general. You don't know where all of those rocks and gases came from. Yet, a creator is not logical,
even though one is required for anything to come into existance because stuff can't just show up out of thin air to start forming the universe,
because you cannot see him. You can't see what ungodly event created the universe, nor can you see God. Tell me, why is it you chose to believe in
the ungodly event over a godly creation.
Evo: Uhhhh.... because if there was a God, he would show himself to all of us. Since he does not, he must not be there. Therefore there is no God.
Me: Yet, you believe that the universe essentially poofed into existance. Quite the miracle that needed no help whatsoever.
Evo: I know! Amazing isn't it.
Me: Yes, yes it is. Essentially it sounds like you believe in something without visual proof as much as I, even though I believe that I see the
miracles of life and the universe, are visual proof of a creator. I'll give you the last word.
Evo: Whatever you nutcase! lol. Until God reveals himself to the world I will believe he doesn't exist. It's possible for atoms to form out of thin
ai...space. Mark my words, we will prove it! For right now, we just don't know. bwahahaahahaaaahahahaaaa.
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I can't even believe there are people still defending creationism as a science. Science is constantly changing and adapting to newly found
information all the time. Science text book in one decade will most likely be different in the next. A resource for an essay from he 1990's will
most likely not be recent enough to use. The bible is OVER 2000 years old and has NOT been changed and is still accepted as science by many.
Information have been cherry picked from the bible to suit the views or the world the individual who created these religions had and has imposed this
view to the entire religious population since the dawn of religion. Why do some Christians randomly discriminate against homosexuality, but do not
condone slavery or degradation of women.
An evolution. IT's NOT random. Creatures didn't randomly change, they were adaptations. Think about a bunch of fish in a pool. There's a
waterfall that they must jump up and a short piece of rock they must flip over to get to the mating grounds. Obviously only the ones who can jump
high enough, last out of water long enough and be stronger enough to maneuver over the rock will pass on their successful genes. Gradually the fish
may develop better skills to move across the rock (i.e. stronger fins will row more muscle) so the body starts to adapt to these changes. Also
obviously the same rock would not be used for the entire species, once the creatures are able to adapt to the environment an they will either have an
explosion in population, creating more diversity, or be faced with a new and harder rock to overcome, continuing evolution. This is only a small
example of the many types of evolution.
Also the idea that an all powerful being created the world in 7 days is ridiculous. Did he doing it magically, or technologically. Either way, an
enormous earth was created by a individual and no matter HOW long you may say the 7 days symbolize, the earth is still massive and does't make the
idea of God creating the earth any more credible.
We are at a point where the amount of evidence between creationism and evolution is equally reliant of some sort of faith. Since we know creationism
has all its "evidence" it needs already for more 2000 years, it will only be a matter of time before evolution is able to prove every single detail
and there is enough research to render creationism myth. This will be an even bigger religious revolution than the flat earth theory.
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reply to post by mamasita
sience and religion mix and there is no proof for evolution so BOTH could be wrong
REMEMBER THATT there is NO proof for either theory
it all comes down to faith
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 Originally posted by iesus_freak
reply to post by mamasita
sience and religion mix and there is no proof for evolution so BOTH could be wrong
REMEMBER THATT there is NO proof for either theory
it all comes down to faith
? Evolution has over a century of research and tests and study to PROVE it. Creation has "Worship us or die." people who will drag you to death
behind their pickup truck if you don't agree with them.
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www.belowtopsecret.com...
Maby this is not total proof, but I would say it's a start.
Lets just see what else they find.
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reply to post by botiemaster
Thats not what all evolutionists believes, as most evolutionists are christians, (aka; most christians are evolutionists) so you are wrong when you
think an evolutionist automaticly doesnt believe in god.
"We were selected, by um an unintelligent evolution process, or pure chance in other words to form humans"
We werent selected by pure chance or by accident. Organisms' genes mutate and/or recombine in different ways during reproduction and are passed on to
future generations.
Sometimes, individuals inherit new characteristics that give them a survival and reproductive advantage in their local environments; these
characteristics tend to increase in frequency in the population, while those that are disadvantageous decrease in frequency.
This is known as natural selection.
BTW, there might have been something BEFORE and/or OUTSIDE the universe or the big bang, where stuff came from, we dont know now. But i doubt were
gonna settle with; "it came from nothing."
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Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen.
I was raised Catholic but an now an Atheist.
I hope there is an afterlife but I do not believe it. From a very early age, I figured that the Bible was early man's attempt to explain what he
didnt know. However, it is filled with so many inconsistent passages (God made man in his own image - Yet we have belly buttons?? WTF is God doing
with a belly button? Notice the Bible doesnt say "God created Adam in his own image". Would Adam have a navel? If there was a garden of Eden, why
cant Creationists point it out? Can they produce the trees from Eden? Those trees would have NO rings in the trunk if they had been created by God.
Fossils like this should be EVERYWHERE!!
What about when God looks for Adam in the garden and cant find him? He's omnipotent and omniscient isnt he?
Also, didnt Abrahim take Sarah to Egypt where he passed his (infertile) wife off as his sister so Pharoah would take her as his wife and give Abrahim
livestock etc. Get this... Then God, PRAISES Abrahim for this and when Pharoah finds out about this trickery (even though he gives Abrahim the
livestock and his wife back) God punishes Pharoah and promotes Abrahim to Abraham and fixes his wifes infertility!!
WTF is that?? Some lesson in how to get into Gods good books? Pimp out your wife and con her punters??
Where are Adams bones? Show me his missing rib!
With regards to a flood, what did the animals eat when they were in the Ark? How do Creationists explain how Carnivores survived after the flood with
such a small sample of animals? Rats take 21 days to give birth, which means that hungry predators have to wait at least 3 weeks just for a ratty
snack!!
What about lions? What about plants? How long after a flood will they take to re-establish themselves enough to provide sustenance for herbivores?
The limited genepool would have meant retardation and an inability to resist infections/parasites.
How do you know it was a worldwide flood? WERE YOU THERE?? (A Creationists favourite retort).
What about all those evil fish that went unpunished? lol
The theory of evolution doesnt explain all, nor will it or should it. If you find a flaw in the theory, this is ok. Only if you find a fatal flaw will
it be binned, and so far it explains more than it dismisses.
The Bible however...
If you cherrypick, you can pick out the good bits and live a good life, or pick out the evil bits and become a real swine. If you believe there is a
God, but think the Bible is mans work, then ok, but if you believe the Bible is infallable, then you are setting yourselves up for a major fall.
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reply to post by Anonymous ATS
That is an absolutely beautiful post. Well done indeed. Lots of the nonsense in the bible eloquently picked apart for all to see.
Again, well done  I couldn't agree more.
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