Originally posted by OzWeatherman
The only proof they show is the bible. Unfortunantly many creationists use the bible as a historical journal, and obviously evolution isnt explained
anywhere in the book, so thats why they believe god created everything. Being an atheist I just cant see any plausibilty, due to lack of proof
So up with Evolution
I wandered in to one of those friendly atheists threads the otherday and was met with the usual vitriol and condescending sarcasm. I was able to draw
many of the similaritites between Dawkins and Jesus.
I read much of Dawkins work too, actually I read more of his then creationisms. I am no differen't then Richard however. Dawkins resists ANY
science that purports to have the slightest suggestion that the universe, time, space etc came from anything more then happenstance.
His reason "of course" is that ther is no proof. Where Creationism predicament being that because Theirs IS the genuine article and the ONLY way to
prove something that HAD to exist outside of space and time is another universe or universes all toghether, another dimension a infinite place where
time doesn't exist and knowledge is so far beyond our own it is pointeless to try and articulate an illustration or analogy as ther is no frame of
referance in a finite existence that would give it justice.
The ironic thing is that it would TAKE a GOD having all the attributes described in the Bible to even consider that from his place he created matter
from nothingness. If Dawkins can come up with something better,, well actually he tried and stephen hawkings SMASHED that theory to hell. The Bible
even explains this by saying the "detected and undetected" parts of the universe. A place HE is where we cannot be and that he will NOT be tempted
to prove himself.
Many believers of God as the creator, resist anything less then at least having a mind to utter the shortest word in the english language to at least
get things started or moving. OZ says he isn't satisfied with Biblical accounts of life and the universe etc. I would agree that the bible main
impetus isn't to prove where we came from but where we are going.
It does that by explaining that GOD created EVERYTHING and Everything that was created was created by GOD. This is the book of genesis.
The Bible corroborates its assertions using "prophesy" . As much as I agree that Dawkins, is very smart, he is handicapped by his own affirmations
to his Atheism. Resistance to even consider that when the universe began, Information HAD to have already existed. Information is that language, code
or signal that must have a mind to not only encode a message but something has to have mind to understand it. Having said that, The idea that when
the universe started,
SOMETHING had to say "GO"
Having quoted Dawkins here, neither he, nor any materialist has ever provided any scientific (i.e. empirical, testable, falsifiable) explanation for
the origin of information. NONE ZIP ZILCH
Then, something had to know what comes next when it gets that information. Dawkins has written an essay called the problem of information where he
still uses that same explanation that natural selection has always done this and makes some disparging remarks about flat earthers etc. He usually
does that when he has painted himself in a corner by other greater minds then his.
Then he starts using words like "perhaps" and clever rationale that some things he simply can't prove because he can't go back in time to find it.
The Reknowned astro physicist Stephen Hawking has proven Dawkins evolution couldn't POSSIBLY use natural selection and get us where we are now. The
laws of thermo dynamics all the way to string theory and the latest discoveries of DNA have proven a mind made these things because ONLY a mind could
concieve of language or the coded alphabet that DNA can create living things with. This discovery and several other posed to dawkins had him stumped.
Later he wrote the "problem with information" Of all the books Dawkins has written, all the essays, that one was the most abysmal failure I
couldn't understand why he just didn't give up and admit it. THIS AIN'T NO ACCIDENT.
I have my own resistance to any suggestion that we came from nothing and are an aimless shapeless mass of undulating flesh which evolve via natural
selection. The very word "selection" as in Natural Selection implies choices or options requiring a mind to select, but this is the billions of
years of trial and error selection till oneday something works. Every once in a mega billion years a Random Mutation comes along to add another
So DNA has been downplayed by the atheists as merely a molecule and that what it does is "not big deal". He explains in on his website that he was
"set up" again by those insufferable Christians and it was his anger that made him unable to answer a question regarding DNA that TO THIS DAY he
only looks like his whole world is about to come crashing down. You see Dawkins HATES US, albeit he wouild deny it but just this past week his
website groupies have attacked FAITH itself for killing Benazir Bhutto.
Royal Truman exposes Darwins problem again. www.trueorigin.org...
and this time much better explanation to the REAL problem of
information is given while seeing Dawkins Natural Selection in the way he explains it that if it were true even THAT would prove God because Evolution
would eventually create God. If you google every reference and rebuttal to this article on the internet, you'll discover that not one person has
ever supplied a scientific response to the questions raised to Dawkins and even I thought the essay he DID finally write was a "perhaps" this may
have that blah blah.,
No naturally occuring molcule possesses the properties of information.
Nature does not produce any kind of code, encoding/decoding mechanism or symbolic relationships at all; everything in nature represents only itself.
DNA, on the other hand, represents a complete plan for a living organism. DNA is an encoding / decoding mechanism that contains code, or language,
representing the organism. Dawkins has been asked if he met Jesus and was shown supernatural signs and wonders ,, Dawkins would STILL rather be an
athesit even IF he KNEW who GOD is.
[edit on 30-12-2007 by Conspiriology]