Bhutto assassination video!!!

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[edit on 30-12-2007 by JesterTerrestrial]

Lot's of leaders have been killed after WW2 otherwise we would be on WW200 by now.

I just think trends have changed since WW1 because we have the power of nuclear weapons, so that people won't go that far anymore over events like these. This even is not bigger than 9/11 but I guess it could be a chain reaction of events. But I do not believe because of this and fanatics that the world will start a great war.


[edit on 30-12-2007 by The time lord]

This is a very interesting case...

I'm wondering why they aired this whole clip, I can't tell if I'm looking at two different cameras or just raw video from one here. It looks to me like raw video where the camera guy was shooting a closeup of Bhutto and then stopped the camera to move to a different vantage point further to his left.

If you look at the wall behind her You can see that It appears she is in the same spot in the second video as she was in the first. There is a beam behind her head and an arch right behind that. When the camera pans after the shots I don't see another area like that behind her, in fact I see a green flag there, so I think we are either seeing two videos from the moment of the shooting, one tight on Bhutto and one wide, or the camera guy paused and moved to follow her and was shooting from a different angle.

Regardless, I'm confused by this whole situation. I'm also surprised that there isn't a video yet that shows Bhutto after the shooting. If there were any professional videographers in that crowd, you can bet your salt they would have kept that camera trained on the car.

I will also say that even though shots were fired it doesn't necessarily mean she was shot. From the angle of the shooter and the way he holds his gun I can see how it wouldn't be an easy shot. But then if the shot didn't kill her and the bomb didn't kill her, why are they still calling it an assassination? Wouldn't it just be an accidental death (hitting her head) during an assassination attempt?

I don't understand what they are playing at here and if anyone can clarify for me the government stance I would be grateful. If you know there were shots fired and there was also an explosion, why would anybody lie about the manner of death? What would be gained by saying those things didn't kill her? Or are they saying that the explosion killed her with the force of the blast? Have they outright denied the presence of the shooter? or are they just saying that the shooter didn't kill her?

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I'm not saying that each time a politician is assassinated it automatically causes a world war, I'm just saying that if you understand even a shred of what is going on in the ME you would know that what chain of events is likely, and it is not all tulips and sunshine. A nuclear armed country has gone from chaos to extreme chaos. All it takes is one stray nuke to end mankind.

I agree that the Middle East is in chaos and I would not trust them either with the Nuclear Arms they have that is why no one trusts Iran.

But to everyone it seemed at the time that Iraq was the bad guy, that with no real evidence of WMD but now we have Iran that will be able to make them.

But the real threat is giving this technology to countries that are fanatical and by giving countries these capabilities we are now afraid of them because of their mentalities, you know what happens when the West speak out about their religion and the people go mad and riot. Pakistan can not be trusted either and they know it too.

www.fas.org...

Pakistan's nuclear weapons program was established in 1972 by Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, who founded the program while he was Minister for Fuel, Power and Natural Resources, and later became President and Prime Minister.

Another question is this Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, related to the current events?


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I wish someone could answer these questions. Her close aids insist she was shot, but the Pakistani Government says no she wasn't. We see a gunman fire 4 shots, eyewhitness say she was shot, what gives? Who is lying, and what is to gain from that.

We need the big guns on ATS to think tank this question.

edit to add: Sorry for the italics, don't know what happened.

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Already posted on another thread

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Holy makral, that second video is hard to disprove. You hear the gun shots, you see what looks like two hits, and she goes down.

The Pakistani Government has got some explaining to do about that video.

Great find, thanks for sharing this most important evidence.

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Dbl post


[edit on 30-12-2007 by IvanZana]

The first video seems to be very lucky in my opinion.I just find it odd that the shooter was conveniently caught on film and in frame.
I definitely heard more than two shots.The muzzle flash seems a bit large for a small caliber gun.I've fired many types of guns and never witnessed one that size.
The one posted from CNN shows a different shooter.Our headlines here blame it on Al CIAda but I didn't read the article so I don't know who implied it.

It'll come down to more security and less rights for all of us.That's my own opinion of course.
It's a shame to see her gone,my she rest in peace.

-this video was proboably taken by a regular spectator
- unless he can't aim she was defenatly shot more than once on her head because he was so danm close to her
-right after the shots the video cuts off because the man detonated his explosions and caused the spectator to drop camara and the camara proboably malfunction. remmeber the explosion killed somethin like 16 people in the crowd and the spectator is not that far from the gunman.

just my 2 cents on that film

I watched the video multiple times and have my own theories. I know this is my first post but I this whole situation fascinates me.

First, on the issue of the whole assassination. Bhutto had e-mailed CNN's Wolf Blitzer a few months back about the possibility of her being assassinated. She said that if it happened that Musharraf may be behind it. She had been asking for more security and it was denied. Here's the link to that article: ap.google.com...

Okay, so now that is an interesting tidbit, I think. Now about the videography. It does seem that it has been manipulated and possibly enhanced, i.e. the muzzle flashes. Usually small pistols don't really have that much of a flash from my experience. I heard 4 shots and then the explosion. There was definitely 1 shot followed by 3 quick shots. The second group of shots almost sounds like an automatic rifle. I've heard that sound many times and that's what it reminded me of.

Another thing about the muzzle flashes. (Sorry, just popped into my head.) There were 4 shots. During those shots the camera was focused on what we assume to be the gunman. Yet, we only see 1 muzzle flash. Please, if I'm mistaken let me know.

This whole incident just reeks to me. Something about it just isn't right. Thankfully, the Pakistani government has authorized her body to be exhumed and re-examined. Maybe this will help answer some questions. I'm just glad I don't live in India or Kashmere right now.

SHE WAS SHOT. That puts that debate to rest.

Here is the new updated DEC 30,2007, 5:00pm.
Bhutto video. You can clearly she that she is shot in the back of the neck before she slumped over and the assassin is visable.
New Video. Click - Watch the report- in this link to view video.

yeah she was shot, the first bullet got her you can clearly see her hair and head dress lift upward from the impact to the back of the head. and i think the goverment is the killer, thats why they are trying to make up stories about her hitting her head on sunroof.

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I'm not able to enlarge the video or the still to show any proof that this was the gunman as reported in the broadcast. The new report picks someone out of the back of the crowd and claims he is the assassin. The man in the white shirt behind him, were are told is concealing the murder weapon.

I can't buy this story with out addtional proof. I don't see how practical it would be for the assassin to suddenly appear near the vehicle as he had a crowd of 100 or so people to push through. By the time he was in position I would think that Bhutto would have been further down the street.

The report insists that she was killed by gunshots, not the blast. All I can tell for now is that she lowered/fell into the vehicle, there was blood in what appears to be the same vehicle and that the vehicle is armored to prevent damage from explosions. She could have been stabbed by someone sitting next to her for all I know.

It's not that I just like to sit on my arse and do nothing about what's happening in the world around me, I love to help out, and if there's anything I can do to help anybody that comes in my way I do it without hesitation, but look, I'm 23 and I sure as hell like to live a healthy, wealthy long life, and someday die of old age peacefully on my deathbed, and I'm striving for it by the way, but If I saw that my granpa, my uncle and now my mother were killed by trying to help the people of my own country, trying to stop it from becoming a terrorist state I'd more than clearly see, that this people just don't want to be helped, I would just take a look around me and see that my granpa was assassinated, my uncle and my mother were gone, at that moment I would just drop the whole freaking mentality of helping people around me, and try a different career rather than politics. I'm sorry, but a bullet in my head it's a no no for me.

Ok, I am 100% convinced that Bhutto was shot directly in the noggin, at least once. I don't know whether it was the guy on the rear bumper of the suv, or the guy to the left in the crowd with what looks like a 1911 style pistol.

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Yep, you are correct sir.

It's late and I have only skimmed through this thread but havent seen anyone mention the fact that at 16 seconds into the original video, there is a second gun visible. It is a smaller pistol but doesn't appear to be fired.

I may be mistaken and the gun i'm seeing is that of the assasins. If you look to the immediate lower right of the man leaning over the car in a brown jacket (Who I have presumed to be the assassin) you can see a man waving his gun in the air..

The first video seemed odd, that the picket signs blocked Bhutto as the shots were fired, but looking at the gunman only(again odd how the cameraman didnt move his frame forward to await Bhutto to come out from behind the pickets signs, it was almost as if her was trying to keep the rear of the vehicle and Bhutto in the frame), prior knowledge? dunno.

But back to my point after watching the first video, it seemed the best most steady shot the gunman got off was the first one, after that, he just fired 3 rapid shot as he got slightly bumped. Ususally people like that are mobbed after the first shot, wierd. But even if she wasn't fatally wounded, that bomb was pretty larged, everone around the vehichle was killed and the car was filled with holes.

However the pictures of her clothing and shoe and pool of bloo they show inside the care, there is really no damage inside the vehicle. Even before seeing the latest video it looked like a single shot, the first shot, to the head that killed her. I wonder why the government didn't want to admit it? Maybe because her guards didn't do thier job? I didn't even see any guards walking with the vehicle...., is that standard practice? I didn't think so because after the first failed attempt on her she said if it wasn't for her personal guards she wouldn't be here. Were they pulled off? Just like the two SS men who shoulda been on the back bumber of Kennedy's car were?

This new video just confirms it all, good find. Single head shot from close range to the back of the lower head. Lapse of security bigtime. Seems there might be more to this assasination than meets the eye. I would think you'd place at least an armed bodyguard looking for shooters at each corner of the vehicle, I mean that should be standard practice. If they had a guy on the left back bumper of Bhuttos car, she might still be alive today. Just like if the Secret Service guy wasn't pulled off JFK's rear right bumper he'd most likely still be alive today. If you go on the single gunman theory.

Something smells bad about this whole thing. What little of Bhutto that I do know I thought she was good for Pakistan, and a strong leader. Shame, the state of that country is in now, and is gonna be; in the years to come.