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Nibiru's 'First Phase' Due Fall 2009!

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posted on Jan, 14 2008 @ 10:40 AM
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I simply want a answer or some thought on what i previously posted.

sometimes, it seems as though the topic gets a little catiwompus (spelling?) and prior posts get completely overlooked because of a pissing match caused by a curve ball thrown into the mix.

so, as to my prior post, what say you?




posted on Jan, 14 2008 @ 10:48 AM
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Good critical thinking there, DogHead.

Hmm...interesting as well, the OP of this thread has just started another, something about big things gonna happen in 2008, prophecies come true, same ole' same ole'... Maybe another book in the works?



posted on Jan, 14 2008 @ 11:23 AM
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'Fact' is 'opinion', unless the 'fact' can actually be 'believed' or 'seen'(other than in words), then you won't believe it[based on your 'opinion'(if you 'believe' it to be 'fact')]. I lay down what I consider fact and it is biased against, no matter how 'believable' it is to you. I couldn't make a believer out of anyone(even if I tried). If you 'believe' I am wrong about all of this(in your 'opinion'), then explain to me why. I'd appreciate it much, thank you.


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posted on Jan, 14 2008 @ 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by xnibirux
If you 'believe' I am wrong about all of this(in your 'opinion'), then explain to me why. I'd appreciate it much, thank you.


About a dozen posters have already tried to explain it to you but you've made it clear you don't want to listen.

The truth is in the lie, so to speak, that Planet X orbits every 3600 years. You've been shown proof that the Sumerians were overthrown in 1763 BC, so the very latest Planet X could pass by would be 1837 AD. Then you changed the orbit to 3741 years, which still means the latest re-appearance should have been 1978 AD. Then you claimed Planet X passed in 1447 BC and was recorded by the Israelites - which means it's not due until 2153 AD (3600 yr orbit) or 2294 AD (3471 yr orbit). Then your buddy came along and claimed the orbit is 3657 years...


When you can get your story straight and choose an orbit that actually matches your *cough* prophecy *cough*, come back and give it another try. There's a hundred other reasons why Planet X doesn't exist that we can discuss then.



posted on Jan, 14 2008 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by musselwhite
I simply want a answer or some thought on what i previously posted.

sometimes, it seems as though the topic gets a little catiwompus (spelling?) and prior posts get completely overlooked because of a pissing match caused by a curve ball thrown into the mix.

so, as to my prior post, what say you?


I'm sorry your post was overlooked. would you mind reposting your question? Thank you.



posted on Jan, 14 2008 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by xnibirux
'Fact' is 'opinion', unless the 'fact' can actually be 'believed' or 'seen'(other than in words), then you won't believe it[based on your 'opinion'(if you 'believe' it to be 'fact')]. I lay down what I consider fact and it is biased against, no matter how 'believable' it is to you. I couldn't make a believer out of anyone(even if I tried). If you 'believe' I am wrong about all of this(in your 'opinion'), then explain to me why. I'd appreciate it much, thank you.


[edit on 14-1-2008 by xnibirux]


Although I do respect the fact that you have actually written that your belief is your opinion, I would like to point out that Facts are factual because of supportive evidence. Opinions can be factual or a perception of facts and/or reality. So there is a difference.

You can easily make a believer out of me and I'll tell you how. Simply post scientific evidence supporting your idea. There should be physical evidence to back up everything you are saying if what you are saying is accurate and true.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 05:48 AM
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Here's a short video showing comparative size of the planets in our system along with stars in other systems. This should give some people a basic idea of what a brown dwarf, 1/3 the size of our sun would have done to the inner planets as it passed by 3600 years ago.

www.5min.com...



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 06:37 AM
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The above video really gives you another perspective on just how small we really are, but how would that video allow us to understand how the Brown Dwarf would affect other planets as it passed 3600 yrs ago?


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posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by xnibirux
I'm assuming you haven't read "The Return of Planet X". By the way, you cannot judge someone by the degrees they have, especially in this case.
I know the world is round, but I don't have 'any' degrees.


I haven't read the book nor do I intend to unless someone gives me a free copy. Why? Because I'm not about to spend $29.95 for a bunch of tripe. You're repeated comments regarding people not reading the book, tells me you're just here to try and sell the book.

I agree, to a point, that you can't judge someone by their degrees. However, since Planet X deals with astrophysics I would expect the author to have at least a BS. I realize it's not rocket sci...oh wait, it sort of is rocket science.

I'm more than willing to accept planet x's existance given proof. You have not given proof. You claim it's behind the sun and that's why we can't and won't see it until summer or fall of 2009. OK, very simple facts here... The Earth orbits the sun in a year. If Planet X is currently behind the sun then Earth will be on the same side of the sun as it within six months. Why would Planet X not be visible by mid-2008? Simple answer, it either does not exist or is well outside the solar system and not a danger to us until the distant future.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 05:35 PM
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Well it gives you an idea how large the brown dwarf would be compared to any of the inner planets. The damage something that large would be...shall we say...TERMINAL. Nothing would survive a close encounter.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 05:56 PM
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Just to add a different take to the debate.

It has been posted that the brown dwarf has a 3600 year orbit.
Based on that information, another poster calculated the speed of planet x at or near the speed of light.

My question is as follows:
An object traveling near the speed of light will have an almost infinite mass. The mass would have an almost infinite gravity well similar to that of a black hole.
So the brown dwarf is no longer a brown dwarf but a rogue black hole which cannot be viewed except for the energy at the event horizon and the blackness against stars. People have posted pictures they claim to be the brown dwarf. Obviously those pictures could not be the brown dwarf.

Also, wouldn't this black hole rip apart our solar system?

I've had a very long work day so maybe I'm wrong about this so does anyone have any thoughts?



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123
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Well it gives you an idea how large the brown dwarf would be compared to any of the inner planets. The damage something that large would be...shall we say...TERMINAL. Nothing would survive a close encounter.


Exactly! So a celestial object that large could do considerable damage to Earth even from a very far distance. Correct?



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by Angus65

I haven't read the book nor do I intend to unless someone gives me a free copy. Why? Because I'm not about to spend $29.95 for a bunch of tripe. You're repeated comments regarding people not reading the book, tells me you're just here to try and sell the book.

If Planet X is currently behind the sun then Earth will be on the same side of the sun as it within six months. Why would Planet X not be visible by mid-2008? Simple answer, it either does not exist or is well outside the solar system and not a danger to us until the distant future.


I am in no way trying to sell the book whatsoever, I just thought the book was very interesting and important; that is all.

Correct, Planet X may be visible by mid-2008. It has been said to return sooner than expected, but I definitely wouldn't make any promises, I'm just stating that there is fair possibility.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by xnibirux

Originally posted by jfj123
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Well it gives you an idea how large the brown dwarf would be compared to any of the inner planets. The damage something that large would be...shall we say...TERMINAL. Nothing would survive a close encounter.


Exactly! So a celestial object that large could do considerable damage to Earth even from a very far distance. Correct?


I think you're missing the point. It can't do damage unless it can affect our planet. Anything that affects earth can be measured quantitatively. So where are the measurements?



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123
Just to add a different take to the debate.

It has been posted that the brown dwarf has a 3600 year orbit.
Based on that information, another poster calculated the speed of planet x at or near the speed of light.

My question is as follows:
An object traveling near the speed of light will have an almost infinite mass. The mass would have an almost infinite gravity well similar to that of a black hole.
So the brown dwarf is no longer a brown dwarf but a rogue black hole which cannot be viewed except for the energy at the event horizon and the blackness against stars. People have posted pictures they claim to be the brown dwarf. Obviously those pictures could not be the brown dwarf.

Also, wouldn't this black hole rip apart our solar system?

I've had a very long work day so maybe I'm wrong about this so does anyone have any thoughts?


If you are interested, there is a special called 'The Universe' on the Discovery Channel tonight at 9:00 about Dark Matter. Here is something on Dark Matter and the Black Hole at the center of our galaxy concerning a high energy mystery involved with it HIGH ENERGY MYSTERY

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posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 06:51 PM
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jfj123,

I believe your assessment is essentially correct. What we would have is, in effect, a rogue black hole. In which case, starting with the outer planets, it would already have started tearing our solar system apart and there is NOTHING we can do about it. Its effect on the sun, being much bigger than a planet, will be apparent well before any of the inner planets are touched. We are all doomed if this is true. Also, with the time dilation effects inside a black hole, we will endure unbearable pain for what will seem to be an eternity. Really good to know.

Cormac Mac Airt



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 07:39 PM
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Few things I'd like to add here. If these arguments have been posted already, my bad. I read most of the thread, but not all. I tried, but waaaay too much to sift through - ended up skimming through a few pages. I'll post my arguments against the Nibiru story.

1) Nibiru has an supposed 3600 year orbit. Dinosaurs first appeared approximately 230 million years ago. If, let's say, Nibiru was in orbit since then, it would have have come into the solar system's immediate orbit about 64000 times already. Yet this is the time it is going to destroy us all. If it was not in orbit since then, where was it in orbit around?

2) A mass as large as described would have caused long-lasting effects on our solar system that a 3600 year down-period would never be able to properly fix. Planetary orbits would be seriously shifted due to gravitational pushing/pulling, there would be a greater abundance of rogue comets and asteroids and the remnants of any contact with existing orbitting bodies/planets would be readily noticed. A planetary object this large in direct interference with 'normal' solar system orbits would cause major problems. Our solar system would likely be in constant collision and life would probably not exist on our own planet.

3) Astronomers can 'see' or speculate based on their data, planets orbiting stars light years away, yet they cannot find an enormous planet (or brown dwarf) within our own sun's orbit. And yet astronomers are finding small comets in our solar system all the time - many the size of cars.

4) The Nibiru stories are derived from anceint Sumerian cuneiform tablets which are far from perfectly translated. Our knowledge of the actual words, meanings and language are still under heavy scrutiny. Translations this imperfect should not be used as a basis for realistic predictions. I find many Nibiru believers haven't even examined the currently accepted Sumerian translations or even made the first steps to understanding HOW the translations came about. Those who do read them, look only to try and prove their Nibiru theory.

5) The 3600 year orbit seems to be based on the Mayan calendar which is in no way connected to the Sumerian culture. It seems that an act of convenience was taken to merge two diverse, separate cultures to justify a unified theory of this planet X. While the Mayan calendar may be coming to an end, it only means that that particualr calendar cycle is coming to an end and, in no way, means the 'end is near.'

6) A planet in that orbit would not be able to be a self-sustaining planet with an atmosphere and consistent temperature. Any potential living capabilites that would exist on that planet would need to be created. While the planet might be possible of generate it's own heat, it could not generate sunlight which is crucial for most life. No sun means no plantlife means a cycle of food would be completely thrown off. And storage of food for 3600 years seems rather impractable for any extraterrestrial lifeform.

7) Larger than life creatures require greater amounts of oxygen (considering these beings breathe oxygen which is our basis for known, complex life). A planet without a sustainable environment or atmosphere would need to create 3600 years worth of oxygen for the beings to merely live. That is alot of air required.

These are my beliefs on why Planet X cannot exist. While I understand the desire to believe such a story, I find it implausible. There would be greater signs than what we see or know - and the truth is, the proof just isn't there, in my opinion, to sustain the theory.

I believe we might get a currently unknown comet to enter our solar system and provide one heck of a brilliant light show. Maybe it came into close contact with earth and left a trail of debris that illuminated our atmosphere - hence the belief of fallen beings.

And if Nibiru is proven true, I will gladly annoucne that I was wrong.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 07:48 PM
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tvgraphics, the problem with showing Planet Xers undeniable facts like that is that they just don't respond to it! It's less productive than talking to a brick wall, there's just no logic at all to their flawed arguments.

As always, lets have them prove us wrong. If this Planet X is going to be here by the middle of this year (the latest update!) it'd be incredibly close and we'd all be able to see it. Either that, or we'd already be flung out of orbit or something catastrophic like that.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 08:18 PM
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mattguy404... I know it's like talking to a brick wall.

I've discovered everytime you challenge Nibiru believers on their story, they often throw out the "well prove that it doesn't exist" line. Well, here I am, telling why I personally believe it doesn't exist. My assumption is that there is an even more unbelieveable response to every logical or semi-logical point that I, and others raise. And as I read here... that holds very true - as timelines change and cloaking devices are tossed in the mix.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 01:28 PM
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Real pictures of Nibiru! SO PREPARE FOR THIS!

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