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U.S. gains 1 new immigrant every 30 seconds..we need to stop this.

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posted on Dec, 28 2007 @ 11:13 PM
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So in other words, you have no dogs in this argument and just want to complain about something.

[edit on 28-12-2007 by The Walking Fox]




posted on Dec, 28 2007 @ 11:28 PM
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The only "dog" I have in this argument is that I don't think that America should be obligated to take care of the whole freaking world.. Personally, if it were up to me, the U.S would be an isolationist state that only traded with other nations and did that sparingly.
I don't think we should be expected to take any and every one who decides they want to come here and live off of the people of the United States. If that's not a "dog" to you, then I don't know what you're calling a "dog."



[edit on 28-12-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by The Walking Fox


It seems to have been good enough for whatever shiprats spawned your family, and their successive generations of anchor babies on up the line to yourself though, huh?

"I'm already here, close the borders!"

"Our culture and way of life"? What exactly, is that? Specifics, please.

[edit on 28-12-2007 by The Walking Fox]


If you are too ignorant to recognize that America even has a culture, then all the explanations in the world arent going to open your eyes.



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 01:10 AM
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Originally posted by The Walking Fox

Yet I'll bet you believe the American taxpayer has no obligation to foot the bill for improving American lives, either.


According to the United States Constitution (ever heard of it?), the American taxpayer has no obligation to foot the bill for improving anyones life other than their own.


[edit on 29-12-2007 by slackerwire]



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 01:12 AM
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Originally posted by slackerwire
[If you are too ignorant to recognize that America even has a culture, then all the explanations in the world arent going to open your eyes.


Slackerwire, I agree with you up to this point. What American culture? We are a mish-mesh of different cultures..

[edit on 29-12-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 02:00 AM
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Are you unable to back up your statement?

If you're trying to tell me America has a singular, unified culture exclusively its own, then I can say with clear and factual certainty, that you, sir, are the one giving a gross display of ignorance.

An argument could certainly be made that the ever-evolving and trading mishmash of cultures that makes up American life is its "culture" but then if so, there is no way that anyone, much less an immigrant group, could ever harm, much less destroy such a cultural paradigm.

It could also be stated that the culture of America centers around the idea of liberty and equality and opportunity for those in need of such things, in which case denying immigrants would be far more harmful to the culture than allowing them. A far more liberal immigration standard than what we have now would actually be an improvement for such a cultural outlook.

But please. Do tell me what you have in mind when you speak of American culture being destroyed by immigrants. Starting with what culture in particular , and then explaining how, exactly, that culture is being destroyed by immigrants. Last I heard of a culture being destroyed by immigrants was due to systematic genocide perpetrated against the natives here, and even that was pretty far from 100% successful.

And yes, I have read the U.S. Constitution. You might want to read Article I, Section 8.


The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;


I suppose, though, you buy into the whole tax-free utopia that so many racists, er, conservatives, I mean idiots buy into.



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 05:03 AM
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Originally posted by The Walking Fox
Yet I'll bet you believe the American taxpayer has no obligation to foot the bill for improving American lives, either.



Your rhetoric and blame are little more than generalizations that illustrate categorical ignorance. Deny ignorance!

Americans don't have problems being taxed within reason, for basic improvements. But Americans are being taxed heavily and without adequate, legitimate representation from our Congressional leaders. Much of our taxes give rise to corporate profits and do little to improve American lives. Well, except for the Board Members of those corporate conglomerates.

Americans also have problems with excessive spending and entitlements that are given freely to undeserving or unqualified people who are working-the-system. And Americans have problems with the deficit being out-of-control while we have little to show for the money. Face it, the US Government does NOT present budgetary needs well, as the budget is filled with embedded earmarks and hidden agendas. Then there is the inability of the US Government to monitor or assess these programs adequately.

Case in point: AFDC

In 2005, we ALL witnessed the helpless 'welfare' mindset of the New Orleans residents who waited for the Government to 'do something' after Hurricane Katrina hit NOLA. What happened to independence and personal strength? It was bought and paid for by American tax dollars to give NOLA their "welfare state". Americans don't want this lifestyle to even exist because it is ruinous to the human spirit. And as we saw, it doesn't work, does it?

Case in point: Disability

In 2006, the prevalence of disability in the US has continued to grow. In 2006, the percentage of working-age people with disabilities receiving SSI payments in the US was 16.5 percent. I wonder what people did before the Government did it for them....
2006 Disability Statistics Report

American government, through taxation, has provided a number of improvements to our country. Of course, many of these improvements are based on a prescribed set of values that not all Americans believe in. I personally don't want to see the Superhighway constructed because it will do little more than provide more illegal trafficking into and out of America while turning our National trucking industry into an NAU trucking industry. But here we go....it's being built and this will be one of those "improvements" you speak about. Who gains here? MEXICO. But who is paying for this? Who's land is this highway on?

And then there are those improvements that are very specific to one town or one little region that some Congressman has earmarked for personal gain but our Federal taxes pay for it anyway. A VERY small subset of Americans "may" gain from this type of porkbarrel spending, but here it is....Federal taxpayer dollars funding Small Town America build something that is oftentimes NOT a benefit to many WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE.

Case in point: The controversial Woodstock Museum in upstate New York. While I am on the edge of that generation and think it's way-cool, many people believe it is not necessary for Federal monies to construct it. One could argue that if the State of New York wants this, the State of New York should use their OWN tax money for it.

I personally believe very strongly that some of our tax dollars have been spent well to improve America and American life, but note that I said "some". Having National Parks and National Forests have given America the ability to preserve many of our natural geological wonders. But since many of these parks have entry fees now, low-income and poverty level people can't enter.

Taxes are much too high and not representational of the needs of American citizens (note that I said CITIZENS).



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 05:25 AM
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Originally posted by The Walking Fox

If you're trying to tell me America has a singular, unified culture exclusively its own, then I can say with clear and factual certainty, that you, sir, are the one giving a gross display of ignorance.

An argument could certainly be made that the ever-evolving and trading mishmash of cultures that makes up American life is its "culture" but then if so, there is no way that anyone, much less an immigrant group, could ever harm, much less destroy such a cultural paradigm.



After America was founded, our country became defined as a country where freedom and basic rights were two of the cornerstones of our Nation. America has been called THE LAND OF OPPORTUNITY. From this ideology came THE AMERICAN DREAM. Part of our culture is knowing that hard work and determination can provide people with opportunities to further themselves. That's one of the propelling reasons why so many people want to become Americans.

America is a very young country and since culture is not something that is born, it becomes defined through a dynamic sociological process. Our culture is relatively young, but is a free culture of diversity coupled with a spirit of determination and stamina to pursue The American Dream and what is of personal interest. How many other countries permit this? America has produced more famous and talented people than any other country. The majority of American-born arts and scientific discoveries have not only given us great credibility, but contributed to our American culture.

America is a great Nation. And Americans speak English.



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Originally posted by slackerwire
[If you are too ignorant to recognize that America even has a culture, then all the explanations in the world arent going to open your eyes.


Slackerwire, I agree with you up to this point. What American culture? We are a mish-mesh of different cultures..

[edit on 29-12-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]



The baseball playing, apple pie eating, freedom loving culture that USED to be inherent in all people in this nation. Up until the immigrant population, the political correctness crowd, and the leftists saw fit to dispose of it.



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by The Walking Fox




And yes, I have read the U.S. Constitution. You might want to read Article I, Section 8.


The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;


I suppose, though, you buy into the whole tax-free utopia that so many racists, er, conservatives, I mean idiots buy into.


Did you have a point in posting the first part of A1S8?

Youre one of those loony nutbag leftists who think "conservatives (which I am not) are all racists arent you? Get your daily news from indymedia?



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 01:43 PM
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Zoltan,

So is the problem then the taxes, or the idiot representatives who only represent special interests? Perhaps instead of whining about "big government," people like yourself should seek actual redress and start investing in smart government? Representative and Senate seats rarely change hands unless their current holder is retiring or has done something amazingly stupid - and even then Cynthia McKinney held on for another term, amirite? This leads to exactly the problem you have here - disconnection from the people and states meant to be represented, respectively.

"Welfare mindset" of New Orleans? Let me get this straight. You seem to expect that a city of 454,865 people (July 2005 estimate) PLUS uncounted homeless, PLUS uncounted visitors and tourists, to be completely emptied in what, the two days after discerning the storm's trajectory? You also seem to think that those who don't make it out should have to fend for themselves. I'm not sure exactly how clueless a human being can actually get, but you seem to be stretching my preconceived limits.

Question for you though. Why the focus on a city utterly devastated by a natural disaster, and not on the numerous midwestern towns getting free handouts for having an ice storm or tornadoes? How about those same towns receiving your tax dollars to protect their amish popcorn factories and bean festivals from terrorist attacks, while places like LAX, the statue of liberty, and the Alaska pipeline don't get that sort of funding? Am I sensing a sort of double standard here?

You believe in the "NAFTA superhighway"? You know this rumor has been going around since Clinton sighed that nightmare into law, 16 years ago. In that time, absolutely no infrastructure of any sort has ever been built for it. At this point it's pretty much the purview of people who think that "Red Dawn" is a prophetic documentary.

Know why national parks have fees to enter? One, to help clean up after dumbasses who think the entire point of Yellowstone is to have ATV races. Two, it's because people similar to yourself, who want less taxes, less taxes, less taxes no matter what, keep getting the funding to these places cut.

Now, I want you to explain something to me. Please. Why is it that anti-tax knuckleheads always whine about "welfare" going to the "undeserving" of New Orleans (because the trailer trash of Indiana are always deserving! We need another episode of COPS, after all) but never, ever, EVER speak of the bloated and pork-filled budget of the Pentagon? Billions spent on crap like trying to train sea lions to fight scuba-terrorists and you don't bat an eye, but give someone a food stamp and you and your ilk flip their lids. Why is that?

Thanks for an attempt at defining American culture, by the way. Americans speak English, huh? So that's how those filthy wetbacks are ruining the entire nation, by speaking Spanish? Yes, I hear that those greasy sons of bitches are already speaking their Spanish in New Countrysouthofhere and the great state of Arid, and may be moving northward to Reddish and Mountain. And don't even get me started on those Cubans and the dirty beaners from Rich Port who are ruining Flower with their inane crazy-babble! Why, next you know they'll be yabbering away in the states of Snow-covered and Fictional Island! I hear they're even ruining the wonderfully francophonic states of Green Mountain, Louis, and Of-the-War!




posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 02:03 PM
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Norman Rockwell is not a country. He was a painter who did many covers for the Saturday Evening Post. He died in 1978 at the age of eighty-four. Similarly, the Cleaver family of 1950's television fame is a fictional family depicted by three actors, broadcast first by CBS and then by ABC.

I suppose that those of us who eat frybread and play basketball don't count, right?


Still love freedom though. I express this by hoping for more immigrants to come on over and enjoy the freedom granted by America. Unlike some people who want to lock the borders so that nobody can get in or out without getting bullets stuck in tender places, and others who want all current immigrants imprisoned indefinitely, or at least until they can be shipped to some oppressive crap-pile of a nation that they may or may not be from (Mexican, Guatemalan, Dominican, who the hell can tell them apart, am I right?)

And yes, I am, as you put it, "a looney nutbag leftist," insomuch that I believe "bipartisanship" with the Good Ol' Pedophiles is a reprehensible concept, and that the vast majority of their supporters are people who don't mind a good lynching whenever some boy gets a little... uppity. As for your being a conservative or not, you might want to stop parroting every conservative talking point and position right down to not knowing a damned thing about the constitution, if you want someone to think you're different. For starters, you could educate yourself about the constitution. Then you could move on to the diversity of cultures that exist in America, and then you could start looking at immigration. For instance, did you know that people from anglophonic countries such as Australia, South Africa, and Ireland are as big of a problem with illegal immigration as latin americans are... but never seem to get deported?



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by The Walking Fox



Still love freedom though. I express this by hoping for more immigrants to come on over and enjoy the freedom granted by America.


Ah so you just want to flood the country with people until we are bursting at the seams? Yea, great idea.



And yes, I am, as you put it, "a looney nutbag leftist," insomuch that I believe "bipartisanship" with the Good Ol' Pedophiles is a reprehensible concept, and that the vast majority of their supporters are people who don't mind a good lynching whenever some boy gets a little... uppity.


You do know that sick mf'ers lie on both sides of the aisle dont you?

Since you admit to being a nutbag-belongs in a rubber room leftist, do you also support their other beliefs such as socialism?


As for your being a conservative or not, you might want to stop parroting every conservative talking point and position right down to not knowing a damned thing about the constitution,


Little boy I have forgotten more about the Constitution than you could ever hope to know.



, did you know that people from anglophonic countries such as Australia, South Africa, and Ireland are as big of a problem with illegal immigration as latin americans are... but never seem to get deported?
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Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha,
That is one of the funniest, yet most absurd things I have ever read on ATS.

Mexicans, along with other latin americans compose the overwhelming majority of illegal aliens. If you think otherwise, prove it.



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 07:21 PM
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HAHAHA .... Rhetoric, rhetoric, rhetoric. Where are your facts to back up your statements? DENY YOUR IGNORANCE!

First, let's clarify something about Senate "turnover" that you have incorrectly noted. You said, "Seats rarely change hands unless their current holder is retiring or has done something amazingly stupid". Actually, you are incorrect. Statistics have shown that there is a direct correlation between the population of a state and the turnover rate. A state's population is a significant predictor of turnover in the Senate.
Source: Wagner, K. (2004, Jan) The Small State Advantage: The Democratic Divide in the U.S. Senate Paper presented at the annual meeting of the Southern Political Science Association, Inter-Continental Hotel, New Orleans, LA

You are correct, I believe, regarding the disconnect between people and their government representation. One cannot place total fault with the local Representative or Senator, though, when so many American citizens have shown a lack of interest in local and national politics and simply do not 'get involved'. While this phenomenon cannot be used to generalize our entire population in the U.S., the majority of Americans have, in the past several decades, not been actively involved in politics.

That has changed this year, however. The strong opposition that Americans have demonstrated regarding illegal aliens and the proposed "amnesty" in H.R. 1348 was exceptionally strongevidence that Americans have been pushed beyond their tolerance levels. As of May this year, there has been a very strong, very vocal outcry from American citizens about the illegal alien problems. People like me did more than "whine".

"Welfare mindset": I brought up NOLA and Katrina because the U.S. citizens saw EXACTLY what the "welfare mindset" does to people. The ugliness of the "welfare mindset" was evident with anyone who watched television and saw some of the ways that people were not functioning properly. The degradation, the apathy, the inability to function as a thinking person disappear when the Government plays parent for many people who do not want to work. Welfare has been around long enough that it is now a generational issue and the WTW program has actually shown to be beneficial to welfare receipients.

Prior to Katrina, nearly 30% of the population of New Orleans has been determined to be either at poverty level or below-poverty level. Given the size of NOLA, this city has been quite the population for that "welfare mindset". They received government assistance in the form of AFDC, SSI, Section 8 housing, and other entitlement programs.

With the New Orleans area being a hurricane-prone flood zone, these residents also have utilized FEMA disaster assistance payments as a supplement to their governmentally subsidized income. The FEMA fraud cases that have been tracked in Louisiana disaster assistance cases have shown this abuse over and over again. Typically, Louisiana receives 2 or 3 Federally declared disasters per year. These people know how to work the system -- and they do. As renters, they can receive more than $26K for personal property damages -- and this money is PER disaster.

New Orleans residents know that they can get FEMA funds to use on whatever-they-want, knowing that the next time a major storm blows in, they'll be able to replentish their coffers yet again. That's the "welfare mindset" again.

One of the conditions of these welfare programs has been unemployment and to maintain the current level of poverty or below-poverty income. The majority of these people do not work. MANY are helpless.

Unless you have experienced or have professional experience with NOLA "welfare mindset", you just-won't-get-the-point.



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by The Walking Fox
Zoltan,

Question for you though. Why the focus on a city utterly devastated by a natural disaster, and not on the numerous midwestern towns getting free handouts for having an ice storm or tornadoes? How about those same towns receiving your tax dollars to protect their amish popcorn factories and bean festivals from terrorist attacks, while places like LAX, the statue of liberty, and the Alaska pipeline don't get that sort of funding? Am I sensing a sort of double standard here?



I have no idea what you are talking about. Amish popcorn factories? Bean festivals???



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by The Walking Fox
Zoltan,


You believe in the "NAFTA superhighway"? You know this rumor has been going around since Clinton sighed that nightmare into law, 16 years ago. In that time, absolutely no infrastructure of any sort has ever been built for it. At this point it's pretty much the purview of people who think that "Red Dawn" is a prophetic documentary.





Have you read ANY HR or Senate Bill in the past year or so? Even the S.1348 bill clearly spelled out the overall plans of the NAU and the SPP. Complete with target dates for specific projects.

Ever visited the spp.gov website? Why not glance over some of the documents. There you will find the information about the "superhighway", prosperity, and security issues that involve the NAU. According to the SPP, our prosperity is dependent upon efficiency and expediency. (What a concept that a government could deliver something such as this!)

There are express lanes at point-of-entry spots along border areas. There are highway corridors planned for the transportation of goods between Mexico, the US, and Canada, too. The Federal Highway Admin is calling some of these corridors "state highway improvements".



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by The Walking Fox
Zoltan,


Know why national parks have fees to enter? One, to help clean up after dumbasses who think the entire point of Yellowstone is to have ATV races. Two, it's because people similar to yourself, who want less taxes, less taxes, less taxes no matter what, keep getting the funding to these places cut.



Do you even have a CLUE on what fraction of the Federal Budget the NPS is?

And, no, the number 1 reason for park fees is NOT to clean up after people racing ATVs at Yellowstone.

Ever thought of the cost to build and maintain the roads leading in and around these places?

What about the forestry/park maintenance?

As a P.S.
I think you need to tone down your bigoted statements. I'm not reducing myself to your level on your last paragraph or so.



[edit on 29-12-2007 by Zoltan]



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 08:35 PM
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Ah so you just want to flood the country with people until we are bursting at the seams? Yea, great idea.


Oh, now it's a population problem? I thought it was a cultural problem. Take a few moments, see if you can reposition your straw man goals a little further down the line, hmmm? Population is not an issue. There is a massive amount of land in the United States. And the amazing thing about a developed nation is that if people feel too crowded in one area, it's really easy to find a less crowded area to live. We're not exactly talking about Saudi Arabia, where there are three cities and the rest is barren desert, after all.


You do know that sick mf'ers lie on both sides of the aisle dont you?

Since you admit to being a nutbag-belongs in a rubber room leftist, do you also support their other beliefs such as socialism?


Oh, I wouldn't doubt it. But if there's any among hte Democrats, the Republicans have been utterly unable to expose any since that one guy who slept with a 17 year old page back in, what, '79? Despite wasting several millions of your tax dollars to try to find these boogeymen.

I don't recall saying anything about rubber rooms. Compared to you and your sort, yeah, I'm pretty far left. Funny thing is, all I've done to deserve this title is note that your positions on immigration are probably based off of false and racist ideologies.

Depends on the sort of socialism you're talking. You really have to quantify such a question.


Little boy I have forgotten more about the Constitution than you could ever hope to know.


Yeah, I believe it. Your forgetfulness is pretty evident


Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha,
That is one of the funniest, yet most absurd things I have ever read on ATS.

Mexicans, along with other latin americans compose the overwhelming majority of illegal aliens. If you think otherwise, prove it.


WHo was talking about numbers? I said as much of a problem. The problem is, after all, the law being broken, and apparently our culture being raped by "immigrants" at large. Aren't the potato-eating papists just as bad as the bean-eating papists?

Speaking of said law. You're aware that, on its own, illegal immigration is only a misdemeanor, right? It's in the same group as running a red light or being drunk in public. Yet it is punished by confiscation of articles, imprisonment without a hearing, followed by expulsion which may or may not land you in the right country, and is guaranteed to leave you high and dry. We don't even do that sort of crap to felony suspects, if you haven't noticed. Kill a guy, and you at least get a lawyer, the chance for parole, and bus fare when you get out. Cross a border and if the Klansmen, er, minutemen don't shoot you, you'll get beaten, robbed, impounded, and mailed off to "somewhere" by the actual government officials.

Unless you're from Europe, conspicuously, then you get warnings in the mail.



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 09:15 PM
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Zoltan,

Please don't tell me to deny my ignorance, when you're buying into the BS about welfare, New Orleans, taxation, and of course "Americans speak English." Further, when you spend your time blathering rhetoric on these topics without a single shred of proof beyond your assumption that righteous indignation speaks for itself, don't then turn around and demand others "back it up" when they tell you you're full of it.

So you're saying that, basically, Americans can't be bothered to get off their duffs to do anything politically, except try to stop other people from coming here? I wouldn't really speak as if this is something to be proud of. Why is this the hot-button issue, apparently? If I had to guess, it's hte successful selling of this BS crap that slackerwire is going on about with regards to "culture" - that somehow, increased immigration from people of a culture that is already a very viable and accepted part of the American cultural quilt is somehow going to "ruin America's culture."

Please, do show me concrete evidence that every person left behind in New Orleans is an ignorant, though-free, lazy bum incapable of functioning as an independent human being.

Regarding te bean festivals and such - read up on where Homeland Security spends anti-terror funds across our nation. Places that terrorists would actually be interested in aren't covered, while midwestern hee-haw cracker-barrel bull# gets billions worth of funding, in total, to give towns of 1,300 SWAT equipment, to buy coast-guard grade boats for landlocked counties, and yes - to protect bean festivals, high school stadiums, and the like, all through the midwest. This is welfare with a dash of bribery. Yet what do you go on about? New Orleans. What's the difference between a Mule parade in western Tennessee, and a major city smashed by a storm in southern Louisiana? Well for one, spending buckets of tax dolalrs for the first is a great idea, and doing the same for the second is the height of evil.

Second, well... Race. I notice that you do not give a damn about the emergency aid provided to white bread trailer-towns smacked by tornadoes, or by ice storms, or the federal dollars spent to protect the Kangaroo Conservation Center in Dawsonville, Ga. from terrorists, but you get up in arms when it comes to providing relief for the residents of a major port city that got devastated by a direct hit from a massive hurricane - most of the people in the first category are white. Most of the second... aren't.

National Parks: yes, yes I do. The NPS budget for 2007 has been $2.365 Billion - out of $10.610 billion total for the Department of the Interior - which is out of a total annual budget of $2.902 TRILLION dollars. On other words, it's 0.081% of the budget.

While I'm looking at these numbers, the Department of Health and Human Services commands $67.650 billion, or 2.33% of the total budget. Clearly, CLEARLY this is what's breaking our nation apart at the seams, don't you agree? Two-point-three percent, holy crap, my wallet is SCREAMING IN AGONY!

Why should I tone down my bigotry, and let you guys have all the fun?


I'd still like a question answered. Why are white people okay with their ancestors illegally immigrating, stealing land, spreading disease, ruining cultures and languages, having anchor babies, massacring locals, and in fact hail these people as heroes, yet the thought of a Mexican coming north to work is an atrocity of the highest sort that must be stopped at all costs, to you people?



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by The Walking Fox


Oh, now it's a population problem? I thought it was a cultural problem. Take a few moments, see if you can reposition your straw man goals a little further down the line, hmmm? Population is not an issue. There is a massive amount of land in the United States. And the amazing thing about a developed nation is that if people feel too crowded in one area, it's really easy to find a less crowded area to live. We're not exactly talking about Saudi Arabia, where there are three cities and the rest is barren desert, after all.


I have always maintained immigration was a population problem first and foremost. Morons like you think in terms of land available, while people who realize that overpopulation is damaging in terms of infrastructure, social services, funding those social services, disease, cost and standard of living, and on and on.







I've done to deserve this title is note that your positions on immigration are probably based off of false and racist ideologies.


your assumptions couldnt possibly be more wrong(much like the rest of your arguments). If you think my problem is race, I invite you to prove it.








WHo was talking about numbers? I said as much of a problem. The problem is, after all, the law being broken, and apparently our culture being raped by "immigrants" at large. Aren't the potato-eating papists just as bad as the bean-eating papists?


There are exponentially more bean eating immigration law breakers than there are rice and potato eaters combined.


Speaking of said law. You're aware that, on its own, illegal immigration is only a misdemeanor, right? It's in the same group as running a red light or being drunk in public. Yet it is punished by confiscation of articles, imprisonment without a hearing, followed by expulsion which may or may not land you in the right country, and is guaranteed to leave you high and dry. We don't even do that sort of crap to felony suspects, if you haven't noticed. Kill a guy, and you at least get a lawyer, the chance for parole, and bus fare when you get out. Cross a border and if the Klansmen, er, minutemen don't shoot you, you'll get beaten, robbed, impounded, and mailed off to "somewhere" by the actual government officials.


Any chance you could stop getting your information from indymedia, Mecha, or the mexica movement? The same talking points people like you continually let dribble down their chins are old, worn out, and have been proven false time and again.

Your beloved little illegal invaders work when they come here correct? Do they pay income tax? If so, they are commiting identity theft by using someone elses social security number.


Unless you're from Europe, conspicuously, then you get warnings in the mail.



It seems you are the one who is obsessed with race here. Are you now or have you ever been a member of mecha, the mexica movement, or la raza?

Incidentally, you whine about the europeans "stealing" land. Which land are you referring to?



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