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Are You Scheduled for Political-Termination?

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posted on Dec, 27 2007 @ 07:52 PM
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reply to post by GT100FV
 


Wow, excellent post!
Couldn't have said it better myself, and didn't.





posted on Dec, 27 2007 @ 08:58 PM
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I have to agree with you there. The amount of roads that cross state lines would make it next to impossible for them to monitor who is coming in/out of insert your state here. Last I read about the supposed RealID, it was on hold due to the Feds not providing any funding for such a huge task. Think traffic is bad now, lets see what happens if any of this is actually true. That right there would cause an uprising. Soccer moms being held up from going to Starbucks and Target.



posted on Dec, 27 2007 @ 09:02 PM
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Seriously!! I dont know if you are familiar with the DC area, but it is already a pain in the arse crossing the numerous bridges into DC from MD/VA.


I havent lived there in a few years...but I made the comute for a very very long time. I cant even imagine how they would stop every single car coming to and from. LOL


Then you have the busses, the joggers, the bike riders, the boaters. LOL


[edit on 27-12-2007 by greeneyedleo]



posted on Dec, 28 2007 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by 4thDoctorWhoFan

Originally posted by jimbo999
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??????????

What? May I help you?



Nope...I don't think so..

J.



posted on Dec, 28 2007 @ 07:13 PM
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US citizens pay fewer taxes than most countries in the developed world - but then most of the other nations in the West have universal healthcare and all that other terrible stuff that I'm sure you equate with socialism huh?

I'm not even going to get into this with someone who really seems to have little idea of what they're talking about, or even cares much about the subject. Besides, this is completely off topic...

J.



posted on Dec, 28 2007 @ 07:18 PM
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Wow - what a load of right-wing hogwash!
There are so many cliches, neo-con psuedo-social theories, and tabloid press assumptions in most of those statements that I can't even be bothered exposing them for the nonsense they are one by one...

J.



posted on Dec, 28 2007 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by 4thDoctorWhoFan
reply to post by GT100FV
 


Wow, excellent post!
Couldn't have said it better myself, and didn't.



Don't you mean ' Wow, what a load of Neo-Con bull?' No - that would be asking too much I guess..

J.



posted on Dec, 28 2007 @ 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by jimbo999

Originally posted by 4thDoctorWhoFan

Originally posted by jimbo999
reply to post by 4thDoctorWhoFan
 


??????????

What? May I help you?



Nope...I don't think so..


J.


Ok, then don't reply to me with question marks.



posted on Dec, 28 2007 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by jimbo999
US citizens pay fewer taxes than most countries in the developed world

Thats funny because you say it like its something bad.



but then most of the other nations in the West have universal healthcare and all that other terrible stuff that I'm sure you equate with socialism huh?

Umm....yeah!
Thats why they must wait 6 months before having some major surgeries and also why people with money come to America when they need the best healthcare. So thanks for pointing this out.


I'm not even going to get into this with someone who really seems to have little idea of what they're talking about, or even cares much about the subject

Way to back out because you realize you cannot defend your positions in a logical manner. Besides, I'm sure you think anyone who has a different view on this topic 'doesn't know what they are talking about'.



posted on Dec, 28 2007 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by jimbo999
Wow - what a load of right-wing hogwash!
There are so many cliches, neo-con psuedo-social theories, and tabloid press assumptions in most of those statements that I can't even be bothered exposing them for the nonsense they are one by one...

Thats because you can't, logically, so why even try. Don't worry, I understand.



posted on Dec, 28 2007 @ 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by jimbo999
Don't you mean ' Wow, what a load of Neo-Con bull?' No - that would be asking too much I guess..

Umm....yes that would be asking too much since the post was accurate and we don't want to pass on falsehoods here at ATS.



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by GT100FV
Conservatives don't believe in no taxes or government.

Your may be right, but much of Conservative (especially Capitalist) polices enforce high taxes on the lower income scales while granting tax breaks, loopholes, bail-outs, research, land and mineral grants, etc to big business. I guess the thinking is, whats good the economy is good for the people?


We just feel that the fewer the taxes, and the smaller the federal government, the better.

Where do you want less government? What levels of government and what policies do you want dropped?




We oppose the nanny state,

Why do you appose a government that supports its people?



and support the individual's right to liberty and the persuit of happiness.

That sounds like a cleaver euphemism for take what you can get with no regard for who gets hurt.



Conservatives believe that the money one earns is theirs, not that it's the government's to give back.

Ok, fair enough. I do see the benefits to such an idea



Conservatives are against income redistribution.

In most circumstances I agree with you. I see it as necessary when the excesses of wealth have created such inequalities as to cause serious social and political strife.

Those that accumulate wealth tend not to want to stop, and "great wealth creates great poverty"*



Liberals on the otherhand want as many people on the dole as possible,

Nonsense, most liberals simply want a support structure in case they fall.



Liberals feel that they are elite, and intellectual, so that they know better than you, how your(the government's)money should be spent.
Liberal pundits express their opinions, much like conservative pundits.

I cant think of a single politician that doesn't think they are better than the people.



Liberals believe in the collective, and that the government is the savior of the masses.

I just believe that the government has a responsibility to take care of the people when needed.



With regards to crime and punishment, Conservatives want to enforce the law, and punish criminals, whereas Liberals want to try to understand the criminal and shift the blame on society and their environment.


I believe the law should be enforced the way it was written. But I also believe that the law needs to be updates to fit the changing society.



Conservatives believe in personal responsibility.

Is that why consecutive conservative governments have bailed out multi-billion dollar companies because of fiscal mismanagement?



Liberals are opposed to that notion, because it adversely affects self esteem.


I have no idea what you mean by this. I take responsibility for myself and my actions 24/7 and it gives me great self esteem.



Liberals believe the role of the goverment is to usurp the role of the parent, or of personal responsibility, etc...........


Nah, I believe the government has a responsibility to defend the country, as well as a responsibility to the people, not to let pork barrel defense contracts (with no competitive bidding) run rampant. I also believe the government has a responsibility to set up law and order, but I believe the government has a responsibility to make sure that the rule of law is updated to fit a changing society.

I want my kids (when I have some) to live on their own, work, raise a family, travel, whatever and I want them to do it on their own. But if they should fall for whatever reason, I want to know that they wont be crushed and there is help (especially if I cant give it)



Of course, I speak in general broad sweeping terms, much like you.

* Michael Parenti in a number of speaches.



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 11:38 AM
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Seems my previous suggestion was taken seriously. What a drunken republicRAT cool aid orgy this has become. How can anyone still think that there’s a modicum of difference among the repubicRATS when Bush as overseen the largest increase in the size of gov ever, and the Pelosi crew who were elected to get us out of Iraq, have given their electorate the double barrel flip off? That cool aid is strong stuff, think I’ll stick to my Cabernet.

As to this bill, it’s draconian nature does seem to have been exaggerated a bit, but is most certainly a step in the wrong direction. Just another step in what’s becoming a forced march that may well end up as a trail of tears.



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by resistor
How can anyone still think that there’s a modicum of difference among the repubicRATS when Bush as overseen the largest increase in the size of gov ever, and the Pelosi crew who were elected to get us out of Iraq, have given their electorate the double barrel flip off?

You really need to compare democrats and conservatives because the difference between the two are large. Unfortunately, all republicans are NOT conservatives and this current administration is by no means anywhere near conservative.

Most of differences stated in previous posts are really comparing democrats and conservatives. The differences are very apparent and distinct.



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by 4thDoctorWhoFan
The differences are very apparent and distinct.


Yes, and they exist entirely in the rhetoric, which is why no matter which republicRAT gets elected, we continue down the same globalist socialist path. There are true conservatives that get elected, like Ron Paul, but they are slandered and marginalized, and usually by those who call themselves conservatives, but are really just Red Ronnie Robots.



posted on Dec, 30 2007 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by Extralien
Perhaps the 2012 and/or end of the world prophecies is not about the end of the world, but more to do with the end of our abilities to choose, to have a voice, to go where we please, to have children, to think...

Crazily enough, I've been thinking exactly this lately. What if 2012 isn't the moment of some grand destructive/evolutionary event? What if it is actually more like a deadline - a point in time by which we humans must have made a very important decision, or a point by which we must have proved ourselves.

After all, we know the exam starts at 10am and finishes at 1pm - but nothing happens at 1pm save for the ringing of definitive yet benevolent bell to tell us the test is over.



posted on Dec, 30 2007 @ 03:14 PM
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Lord have we strayed from the op...forgive us o mods....we know not much.....
But we do know the difference between good and evil....pity we cant seem to agree upon it though....
bergle



posted on Dec, 30 2007 @ 03:14 PM
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Lord have we strayed from the op...forgive us o mods....we know not much.....
But we do know the difference between good and evil....pity we cant seem to agree upon it though....
bergle



posted on Dec, 30 2007 @ 08:44 PM
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All this happened in Germany in the first half of the last century, a fellow by the name of Adolph Hitler. We have the same players doing the same things. Only the places and the races have been changed. The inevitable result of too much power being concentrated in the hands of the eliteist few while the majority is strpped of their freedom. When in the course of human events......



posted on Dec, 31 2007 @ 12:39 AM
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APIS is causing a lot of people with "same names" eg "John Smith" delays in processing via personal searches. This is generally irritating to affected travelers. APIS may be intrusive, but there is no stopping the traveler, just delays in searching him or her. I did read HR 1955, and it is fairly short. It can be found at
www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1955
The text of the bill appears to be looking for home grown extremists, which is an exercise of police power. The FBI has had dossiers on every known extremist since J. Edgar Hoover took office, and on almost everyone else of interest as well. Can't see any change there anyway.

The relevant protective portion of the bill states:

"`SEC. 899F. PROTECTING CIVIL RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES WHILE PREVENTING IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.

`(a) In General- The Department of Homeland Security's efforts to prevent ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism as described herein shall not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of United States citizens or lawful permanent residents.

`(b) Commitment to Racial Neutrality- The Secretary shall ensure that the activities and operations of the entities created by this subtitle are in compliance with the Department of Homeland Security's commitment to racial neutrality.

`(c) Auditing Mechanism- The Civil Rights and Civil Liberties Officer of the Department of Homeland Security shall develop and implement an auditing mechanism to ensure that compliance with this subtitle does not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of any racial, ethnic, or religious group, and shall include the results of audits under such mechanism in its annual report to Congress required under section 705.'."
If you feel threatened by the Bill, just read it in it's entirety at the posted link, and your fears over this particular piece of legislation should be mollified."

HR 1955 basically appoints a study group to make recommendations that will issue reports in 18 months. There is nothing in the bill granting anyone authority to restrict travel within the US. It is not yet law but probably will become law, as on Oct 23, 2007 This bill passed in the House of Representatives: totals were 404 Ayes, 6 Nays, 22 Present/Not Voting.



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