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posted on Dec, 24 2007 @ 02:40 PM
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and all other nations. Then open up the borders, create a federalized system in which the world is governed at a federal level while each current nation exists in a form similar to the states within the USA.

why?

well, if you are born to a specific nation with only limited mobility around the world, it predetermines your access to resources. if you are born in america, you are 'entitled' to greater resources than if you are born in zambia

this creates a system in which birth matters more than ability. a genius born in a third world nation will have less of a chance to succeed than a C student in america. this is anti-democratic and anti-capitalism.

therefore, being against globalism and equal access to resources is essentially being in favor of a system in which class structures are nearly fixed, where only a very small percentage of the people from 3rd world nations get to work their way out of 3rd world status. this is a system, as i mentioned before, in which birth is what matters instead of effort and ability.

so, support a world of true equality




posted on Dec, 24 2007 @ 03:12 PM
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So, if I understand you correctly, you mean in short - a world without border.

If so, then I hear you and agree with the above concept.

Nationalism and patriotism is all Humbug!.
Seriously, it creates division and hate - a sense of superiority of us vs. them.
This along with the classical religious systems should all be wrapped up and thrown away. [along with the dysfunct ego] time for it to evolve.

World without borders...I like that.


Peace

dAlen



posted on Dec, 24 2007 @ 03:28 PM
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yep, you got my meaning perfectly. a world without borders, a world where we all have an equal opportunity and no restriction on where we go except for our own preference.



posted on Dec, 24 2007 @ 03:45 PM
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Even though your intentions are good this is very bad idea for obvious reasons. There is too much division within the human race and humans are not ready to embrace or appreciate thier differences. Opening the boareders is not going to solve this problems.

This problems are inherent to humans as a species, so they can only be overcomed by united effort from every member of the race.
Over time the collective mind set of humans will improve and will be able to support your ideas.

Here are a few reason why it wont work at present.

Capitalism
Extreme Ignorance
Religious extremism
Racism
Cultural differences
Class systems



posted on Dec, 24 2007 @ 03:45 PM
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Even though your intentions are good this is very bad idea for obvious reasons. There is too much division within the human race and humans are not ready to embrace or appreciate thier differences. Opening the boareders is not going to solve this problems.

This problems are inherent to humans as a species, so they can only be overcomed by united effort from every member of the race.
Over time the collective mind set of humans will improve and will be able to support your ideas.

Here are a few reason why it wont work at present.

Capitalism
Extreme Ignorance
Religious extremism
Racism
Cultural differences
Class systems



posted on Dec, 24 2007 @ 05:15 PM
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I like your message but I don't really agree with you. You say the world is unequal and chances of a good life are determined by place of birth. So your solution is to open up the borders.
Alll the people in the third world, searching a good life, would go to higher developed countries, and everybody would be happy, right?

It just doesn't work like that.
The first thing that needs to be done is that all of the debts that third world countries have with the rich nations(and on wich they only can pay the interest upon interest), should be scrapped. It is just away to control them and the economy, and with those debts, third world countries will never getout of that downward spiral.

They should get rid of the regimes that only care about themselves, and not the people. Sadly, those regimes are usually backed and controlled by the rich nations, so nothing structural is done for those countries.

The whole humanitarion aid thing is, imo, to much focused on emergency and short term help. Don't only give a bag of rice and a bag of flower, and keep them dependant. Spend more money on structural, long term help, like education, build waterwells, schools and hospitals. Give them a fair chance of fair trade on the world market.

So, opening the world borders will not solve the problems, the problems are solved when people are happy to be in their country, and don't want to leave.

As long as the NWO is running things, these problems will never be solved though.



posted on Dec, 24 2007 @ 06:01 PM
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Madness, I respect your desire to help all people, I do. However, the globalist ideology that you are perpetuating will never fly with a large segment of the world citizenry., especially in the United States.

I personally would never support such a system for one it opens the doors wide open for a one world dictator. Secondly, I personally don't like the idea of "wealth dispersion." If I am going to get up and work my ass off, the guy who is perfectly capable of working himself but chooses instead to sit on his lazy ass shouldn't reap any benefit at all. "He who does not work, does not deserve to eat."

[edit on 24-12-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]



posted on Dec, 24 2007 @ 06:04 PM
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madnessinmysoul, I believe NWO and other secret societies are trying to work on that. Or so I hope.

But again, I'm positive that would take some time to make a step towards that. Maybe hundred years, thousand years, you never know.

[edit on 24-12-2007 by TheoOne]



posted on Dec, 24 2007 @ 06:18 PM
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Globalism is in and of itself not a bad idea. However, the methods that the powers that be are choosing to use to instate sucha system is pretty freaking heinous. Also, any type of globalist society would operate from a system of socialism. Socialism is great idea that will never work..

The human mind is not wired to say, "What is mine is yours too." The human mind is wired to say, "Hey, bud, I got off my ass and earned what I have, you can too."



posted on Dec, 24 2007 @ 06:28 PM
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Hang on to the madness in your heart.

It is this kind of revolution of understanding and tolerance that will pave the way for a new kind of future.

In my opinion it is the Churches and the Politicians that are the root of the problem and they know their time is drawing to a close.

Through the ages there have been great strides in our technological and scientific advances, in the very near future, the most important step will be taken.



posted on Dec, 24 2007 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
so, support a world of true equality


I have an even better solution. Let's do away with all borders and let everyone be governed by one person (me) in charge of a large centralized system that maintains control over territorial and regional resources. That way everybody will be truly equal. Everybody but me, of course. Somebody's got to be in charge. But that's a pretty high percentage of equality, no?



[edit on 24-12-2007 by Nohup]



posted on Dec, 24 2007 @ 09:54 PM
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Woah - slow down buddy:

Let's say we remove "all" borders, for every country in the world.

Can we say "mass chaos"?
What's stopping millions of disaffected, poor Chinese/Indians moving south, and "occupying" New Zealand/Australia?
What's stopping millions of starving, possible carriers of HIV/Ebola, Africans from moving north and "occupying" Europe?
What's stopping millions of poverty-stricken south and central Americans, and Mexicans from moving north and "occupying" Canada/America?

I'd recommend everyone here read the English version of The Camp of the Saints, in which poor Third-Worlders basically overrun Europe, the U.S, Australia etc.

Now, back to the debate at hand:

As we've seen time and time again things don't work out the way they should.

Look at Britain for an example - can we say "ethnic enclaves"?
What happens when presumably "white" Americans decide they're tired of their community playing host to African immigrants with little disregard for local laws?
What happens when the Mexican community is tired of the Chinese community in "their" land, and decides to "ethnically cleanse" them?

But if you're all fine with living in a Third-World, anarchic "community"...



posted on Dec, 24 2007 @ 11:02 PM
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Nohup, what you suggest with your picture of Hitler, albeit subtley, is exactly what I fear the most about the globalist agenda. I honestly see any good coming from it being out weighed by a bunch of bad and a one world leader/dictator...

[edit on 24-12-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]



posted on Dec, 24 2007 @ 11:33 PM
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I wouldn't worry too much about globalism. The reasons you have given are the exact reasons why it will never happen. The powers that be need inequalities in the world so that it benefits the rich and powerful. That is why there aren't as many resources available to someone in Africa, because it is being given in excess to other people by way of the current system.

You have some good ideas, but none of this will be done by man in my opinion. So long as greedy people are in control of things, no one can move through the ranks and change things. Globalism will happen only as a token effort to free up trade to benefit the status quo, not to equalize natural resources.



posted on Dec, 24 2007 @ 11:37 PM
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That is what we are doing. Have you never heard of the North American Union? How about the European Union? Your dream of a One World Gov't is upon us, when you get your identification chip implanted into your forehead, you will know that your dream has become reality.



posted on Dec, 25 2007 @ 06:54 AM
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i'm only going to reply to this one post specifically and then the rest is going to be a general response.

alright, you're engaging in gross hyperbole... especially since you seem to have absolutely no knowledge of the EU.

 


to the rest of you:

one world dictator is a slippery slope fallacy. if we had the whole world united it would actually be MORE difficult to implement a dictatorship as there would be no need for a military and thus no way to enforce such a regime

the "occupation" idea has a bit of a (and i hesitate in saying this) racist overtone to it. and obviously there would be health screenings

chaos issue... i'm not asking to have this done immediately, it would be a gradual process that would eventually lead to a united world in which everyone has a chance to succeed, not just through mobility but through equal distribution of access to resources. we wouldn't just allow people to move from the less developed parts of the world to the more developed parts, we'd develop those other parts.



posted on Dec, 25 2007 @ 06:56 AM
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I totally agree with you. no borders would equal no wars and no poverty. let's open up to other countries and make them grow. we should stop being so selfish with our wealth and spread it globally, bringing in all kinds of races and groups and becoming as one. i'm ALL for it.



posted on Dec, 25 2007 @ 06:57 AM
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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
The human mind is not wired to say, "What is mine is yours too." The human mind is wired to say, "Hey, bud, I got off my ass and earned what I have, you can too."


but that's not how the world works... a person can work their whole life in the third world harder than anyone in the first world and only earn 1% of what the person in the first world earns (if they're lucky)

the idea i'm pushing for is actually a mix of socialism and capitalism. the socialist part is equal ACCESS to resources, not equal distribution of wealth, the rest is somewhat regulated capitalism



posted on Dec, 25 2007 @ 09:08 AM
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Wow this is a bad idea for so many reasons but I can generalize it with on statement.

I cant make it on my own, so gimme some of yours.



posted on Dec, 25 2007 @ 09:16 AM
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I think maybe if people were ready for this they would have elevated Leopold Kohr's book "The breakdown of nations" in the 1950's and we would have been on our way by now. I don't disagree with the concept, though a bunch of people including myself would more or less have to accept incredible masses of immigration into the US. Since we have borders so Nationalized we all have problems with war and strife in this world, maybe people will come around to the concept, but a federalized world government would be scary to some, to say the least.




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