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4. Organizing Atheists is like herding cats! What do we do? We're doomed! The last thing we need is some kind of substitute Marxism to foster Atheism as a movement again. Once all the religions are gone, there will be no need for this anymore, so also said the Communists.
The very best government that man on his own logic and reason....his own merits/demerits... can do or create is tyranny.
Originally posted by ColumbusThat's an exaggeration. What you mean to say is that the free market is tyranny because everything that I can buy is not completely unique and exactly tailored in every way to my exact specifications and therefore my choices are restricted to an unacceptable degree.
Dawkins is by my experience irrelevant.
Originally posted by orangetom1999
I am not real impressed with the free market. I know enough to understand that the free market is not free. It is rigged. Whether it tailors what exactly I want is not material to me. If I cannot get what I want I make do..modify it to my specifications..or go without. No problem with this. I do not expect the free market to satisfy all my wants and needs. I am not the kind of person who believes I deserve this or deserve that. Anyone who does this will be disappointed.
I know this because socialist markets cannot do this either. It is not a matter of the markets.
I dont know where you got the impression I was talking about markets.
I was refering to governments. The market is merely an extension or reflection of what happens as a result of the type of government one has.
As to Hitchens..I shall keep that name in mind when reading such materials. Never heard of him but the name is duely noted.
Natural men..of reason and logic....by their own merits or demerits..on thier own initiative will eventually corrupt anything and everything...resulting in tyranny. The best they can do is tyranny.
No I dont think Communism per se will end in China.
Simalar to what is happening here.
As to tyranny...it will happen eventually..just not yet...but eventually. This tyranny will be under the guise of a benevolent government looking out for our welfare....like in New Orleans.
This is pessimistic not realistic. Such things have always been cyclical. Orwell's 1984 could never be a reality because of Orwell's 1984, but some people need to touch the fire to know it can burn.
Originally posted by orangetom1999
It is cyclical but only because there is something else working behind the scenes..not seen by those it effects.
Historically when ever a money system becomes worthless the government collapses.
Very seldom in history has a money system and government collapsed and a better system replace it.
Misuse of the money power always tends twords tyranny.
...this may be true but I dont think they are in charge of this.
I say this because if they knew what they were doing they wouldnt be beholden to the western money lenders for technology transfer and know how.
They would have done all this on thier own.
The same group of lenders who rebuilt China ...rebuilt Korea, and Japan complete with money transfer. When they are done with China they will abandon her...just like they abandoned Japan and Korea.
This is the cycle..when costs rise they reinvest where profits are higher and competant labor is cheaper.
As to Gorbachev...the money powers could no longer hide the truth of what Communism was ..economically.