Senate Passes Veterans Disarmament Bill, page 2
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reply posted on 5-1-2008 @ 10:36 AM by Tinhatman
reply to post by GradyPhilpott



I was happy to read everything you posted until I got to "the NRA supports this bill".

The NRA is no longer for the protection of the 2nd Amendment. They have been compromised. When the president of the NRA says publicly that "no law abiding citizen needs a rifle with a capacity greater then 3 or 5 rounds" they are no longer to be trusted. Everyone I shoot with has cancelled their NRA memberships including my me. The holdouts are the old timers who are not politically aware and the Neo-con Clinton and Bush supporters who think it is a good idea to disarm the people.




reply posted on 5-1-2008 @ 08:02 PM by GradyPhilpott
reply to post by jackinthebox




It's a lie. There is no bill or law that is designed to prevent veterans as a class, even those with PTSD, from exercising their Second Amendment rights.

www.nraila.org...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 2008/1/6 by GradyPhilpott]


reply posted on 6-1-2008 @ 09:09 AM by Nailer
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
reply to
post by jackinthebox




It's a lie. There is no bill or law that is designed to prevent veterans as a class, even those with PTSD, from exercising their Second Amendment rights.

www.nraila.org...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 2008/1/6 by GradyPhilpott]


All the president has to do is sign it and it goes into effect.

ap.google.com...
Congress OKs Va Tech-Inspired Gun Bill
ap.google.com...
By LAURIE KELLMAN – 4 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Congress passed a long-stalled bill inspired by the Virginia Tech shootings that would more easily flag prospective gun buyers who have documented mental health problems. The measure also would help states with the cost. Passage by voice votes in the House and Senate Wednesday came after months of negotiations between Senate Democrats and the lone Republican, Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, who had objected and delayed passage. It was not immediately clear whether President Bush intended to sign, veto or ignore the bill. If Congress does not technically go out of session, as Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has threatened, the bill would become law if Bush does not act within 10 days. "This bill will make America safer without affecting the rights of a single law-abiding citizen," said the Senate's chief sponsor, New York Democrat Chuck Schumer. One of the House's chief sponsors, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, spoke in the full House about her husband, who was killed by a gunman on the Long Island Railroad in New York. "To me, this is the best Christmas present I could ever receive," said McCarthy, D-N.Y. Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., added that the bill will speed up background checks and reinforce the rights of law abiding gun owners. Propelling the bill were the Virginia Tech shootings on April 16 and rare agreement between political foes, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence and the National Rifle Association. But other interest groups said that in forging compromise with the gun lobby, the bill's authors unintentionally imposed an unnecessary burden on government agencies by freeing up thousands of people to buy guns.

"Rather than focusing on improving the current laws prohibiting people with certain mental health disabilities from buying guns, the bill is now nothing more than a gun lobby wish list," said Kristen Rand, legislative director of the Violence Policy Center. "It will waste millions of taxpayer dollars restoring the gun privileges of persons previously determined to present a danger to themselves or others."

The measure would clarify what mental health records should be reported to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, which help gun dealers determine whether to sell a firearm to a prospective buyer, and give states financial incentives for compliance. The attorney general could penalize states if they fail to meet compliance targets.



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reply posted on 6-1-2008 @ 09:12 AM by Nailer
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
reply to
post by jackinthebox




It's a lie. There is no bill or law that is designed to prevent veterans as a class, even those with PTSD, from exercising their Second Amendment rights.

www.nraila.org...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 2008/1/6 by GradyPhilpott]


Check out the link.

Having passed in both the House and Senate, this bill now awaits the signature of the President before becoming law. [Last Updated: Jan 3, 2008]

www.govtrack.us...

Bush still not put his signature on it, did it become law without his signature or was it Pocket veto. I can't fine any news, other than what has been posted.


reply posted on 7-1-2008 @ 08:19 AM by Tinhatman
reply to post by Nailer



I just logged in and checked this thread, I too am looking for the link as well. Heston's NRA is DEAD. The new NRA is a political group used for garnering votes and money.

I first saw the qoute linked on video from Strike The Root. I am trying to track it down now.


reply posted on 7-1-2008 @ 04:46 PM by Tinhatman
reply to post by GradyPhilpott



The bill states that anyone that is determined by a psychologist a danger to themselves or others. The problem is on who gets to set the definition and requirements to get on the list. The reason why the NRA is looked down upon for this is because it puts someones 2nd amendment rights into the hands of a Psychologist. They are calling it a veterans disarmament bill because if you are adjudicated as incompetent but found at a later date to be recovered and competent it is nearly impossible to get
off of the "No-Own" list. Many sufferers from PTSD are initially determined to be medically disabled but after even minimal treatment can recover to a state of normalcy and be found once again to be "of sound mind.



reply posted on 7-10-2008 @ 05:09 PM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by dizziedame



I think the founding fathers of this great country of ours knew exactly what they were doing when they made the Constitution the way they did.
Many, many, men and women have died for the cause of freedom and that someone like you can say the things you have.to demean them. Shame on you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Won't it be great when only the criminals and our wonderful ? cops are thge only ones who have guns. Try living in another country where this is happening and see what you think of having an unarmed populace. If you knew any history at all you would cling onto all of our RIGHTS.
Long live the Second Amendment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God Bless America and its veterans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can say what you want because it is your Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If they mess with the second amendment what makes you think that once they get rid of the Second Amendment they will decide that free speech is not good. After all they are only looking out for your own good???????????
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