Study of lunar orbiter1-102 image (moon anomaly), page 1

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Topic started on 21-12-2007 @ 06:13 PM by livo74

All assistance required in study of anomaly found in the lunar orbiter 1 image, I-102-H3
(it was pointed out to me by pretty ms truly of casebook)
and this is my research into it up to this point.

this is a “shrunken” view of the area of initial particular interest.

i206.photobucket.com...

And this is the 'FULLSIZE' view of the anomaly in question.
(i have spliced and realigned the image as was out of place by two or three millimetre along the data sweeps,
other than that is completely unchanged)

********* 'main image' used link and highest res found , 3 meg, *********

www.lpi.usra.edu...

lo 102 main page link

www.lpi.usra.edu...

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possible formation of apparent 'structure'

(obviously, at least two or three images from different angles are needed to have an accurate idea,
and the intention of this post , so as to ask for help in locating accompanying images,
that either do, or don’t show the apparent ‘structure’ )

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*unnecessary(?) smaller versions links*

1 meg version

nssdcftp.gsfc.nasa.gov...

smaller version

nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov...

NASA Image ID number: L01-102; H1, H2, H3

NSSDC Data Set ID (Photo): 66-073Z-01D

Accompanying data/ images and location links
www.lpi.usra.edu...

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so far... all i can find is the other images of the anomoly NOT being there..

i206.photobucket.com...

www.lpi.usra.edu...

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www.lpi.usra.edu...

i206.photobucket.com...

..but as i think nasa is full of ..it, i am searching for another image of it that may of 'slipped through their net',
if the'structure' actually exists.
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Due to the importance of the image, it is in "GREAT IMAGES IN NASA" site,
and the highest resolution image link is less than half the size of main image used.

grin.hq.nasa.gov...

Reference Numbers
Center: HQ
Center Number: 67-H-218
GRIN DataBase Number: GPN-2000-001588
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1- it is the first view of the earth taken from the moon, they have a high res image available in lunar orbiter gallery, yet not only do they not use it,

2- they show absolutely no reference to it,

3- and do not tell you the real image number so you could track it down to see for yourself

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as best i can tell;
either..
A: nasa realised what was there by the time they were willing to release further imagery of the area, and hid the structure,

or B: it is an opticle illusion.

i am hoping for option A.
(might have something to do with the 1958 "Brookings report",
..and the fact that [sections of] nasa are full of ....)

and any help in confirming/denying the reality of this being a ‘structure’
would be greatly appreciated.

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reply posted on 21-12-2007 @ 08:16 PM by sherpa

reply to post by livo74

Well you have done your homework livo I will give you that.

I have always liked the earlier generation lunar images whether they be from the Lunar Orbiter series or rare as hens teeth Russia's Zond.

I don't know if you are aware of lpi's search facility but since you seem to have identified the nearest crater I did a search on Einthoven the results are posted below.

www.lpi.usra.edu...

reply posted on 21-12-2007 @ 09:28 PM by livo74

reply to post by sherpa

most appreciated, sherpa

will have a look through those images to see if anything of use.

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and i know what you mean about prefering to use the older images, and i couldn't agree more.
...as for (most of) those elusive blo@dy zond images..
seems the russians prefer to keep them cards pretty close to their chest, darn it.

reply posted on 22-12-2007 @ 08:22 AM by Orion437

Nice find.

Hope that Zorgon or Internos can review this image in a deeper way.

reply posted on 23-12-2007 @ 06:03 AM by livo74

any help would be appreciated, orion!
as i'm only hitting brick walls..

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www.lpi.usra.edu...

thanks again for the links sherpa.
later nasa image, AS 15 PANORAMIC.
(Hmmm, they are not offering it the high-res version.)

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reply posted on 24-12-2007 @ 07:08 PM by liv074_v.2

whether it's an optical illusion, OR NOT;
i suspect i will not be able to come up with a later image showing the apparent 'structure", or what could of caused such a seemingly 'raised' anomaly.

(again not offered in hi-res at site)

but i will persist.

(ps: ..dont ask!)

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reply posted on 24-12-2007 @ 07:37 PM by liv074_v.2

www.astrolink.de...

third site down page to translate
www.google.com.au...

if anyone knows what this image No is i would be most appreciative.
it 'appears' to be a lunar orb 1.

image No??? hi-res, help please

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reply posted on 24-12-2007 @ 09:29 PM by johnlear

Originally posted by liv074_v.2

if anyone knows what this image No is i would be most appreciative.
it 'appears' to be a lunar orb 1.

image No??? hi-res, help please

That is Lunar Obiter 1-102 but the negative has been flopped and it has been extensively photo shopped.

Below is my copy of LOI-102 scanned from Exploring Space With a Camera:

reply posted on 25-12-2007 @ 06:07 AM by liv074_v.2

reply to post by johnlear

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
say it isn't so!
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thank you, mr lear;
(or should i say no thankyou

)

and also, a big thanks for your version provided.
much appreciated.
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.....and the search continues

reply posted on 25-12-2007 @ 06:55 AM by liv074_v.2

www.lpi.usra.edu...

will soon admit defeat, and get back to painting the garage.

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had enough of later images.
'IF' it slipped through during the lunar orbiter missions,
am sure nasa would not be silly enough to repeat it with later releases of area.

it's back to the oldies for me.

reply posted on 26-12-2007 @ 12:20 PM by NGC2736

Great deep digging folks.

Now to wait for our photo geeks (meant very nicely-something to be proud of) to look at these and have their say on what comes to mind.

reply posted on 26-12-2007 @ 01:28 PM by spikedmilk

That is Lunar Obiter 1-102 but the negative has been flopped and it has been extensively photo shopped.

Below is my copy of LOI-102 scanned from Exploring Space With a Camera:

Hey there John, Happy Holidays to you and your family. Hey, thank you for posting your copy of LO1-102. I blew it it up quite 'large-like' and noticed some oddities. I was wondering if you if had the time and if you'd be so kind to point out some of the anomolies you've taken note of. I just wanted to be sure of sure of what I'm seeing. Thanks much John. Take care.
SpikeD.

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reply posted on 27-12-2007 @ 05:11 AM by zorgon

Originally posted by NGC2736
Now to wait for our photo geeks

Well I just KNOW that wasn't pointed in my direction...

Oh great just what we need ANOTHER Moon Thread

Nice presentation livo74...

Okay this anomaly was first addressed when John presented the book scans in the John Lear moon thread... Though due to lack of enthusiastic interest it never got fully explored....

The new higher res release is definitely useful... I haven't had time to compare all the areas of interest but enough are there ...

Now this structure in this version is very good... almost better than the 'compound' in the Apollo 11 Daedalus Crater image which I will toss in here for comparison

Here is the original we showed from LO-I-102-H1

Here is my enlarged version

Color Highlighted

Labeled to show that the entire structure is within one scanner strip from the video scan of the original negative left on board the Orbiter

Now livo74 said he couldn't see the anomaly in the other photos... and proceeded to show us low res versions... but if you look closely at those images, you will find it..

Despite the poor resolution, the anomaly still appears as a rectangle. This is one think we look for when hunting. In the lower res version they satnd out clearly. Then if it holds up in the higher res versions you have something... as in this case

In the above two Apollo versions, though you cannot see any details, both images show a pronounced rectangular area. Assuming the locations are correct this makes it a very interesting find.

In the above two even poorer versions you can still see the little rectangular area... so it seems that in all the photos above there is clear evidence of something rectangular in that region

So now then anyone want to find my spheres on the high res version

All in neat rows in the last one. Here is one on Earth...

LO-I-162 Page

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reply posted on 27-12-2007 @ 06:33 AM by liv074_v.2

man, i've been on the internet for a total of six months now, and i don't know what to say.

the 'tone' of your posts has me stunned.

i would of originally said "..muchos muchos gracias!!.." on the assistance in studying this anomoly, Zorgon.

but now i am going to go cool off and try to rationalize what the fk is going on.

will go and do that and get back to you when feeling more cheery.
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and this ain't no 'another moon thread'!!
so i don't appreciate the rolling of the eyes.

this is an attempted..

"..systematic study of a particular anomoly on a certain section of the moon..";

and not a single other anomoly, nor crater, nor theory, nor anything.
(hence the name of the thread, ron)

(..but i am waiting for some moron to post something like "..yeah, that's interesting; but what do you think of this anomoly i found at copernicus..?")

reply posted on 27-12-2007 @ 07:53 AM by spikedmilk

Using Johns LO-I-102 image, maybe something structural in the crater? I dont know, perhaps it was discussed eons ago...and I missed it. But I hope you all dont mind discussing it again...
I spy a water tower type object off to the side of the road with a facility located at the bottom of the crater, and its purple. wait a sec...everythings purple...

ZORGON! whats in the eggnog!?
Can anybody filter this image better? If so, muchas thankas in advancas!

spikeD

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reply posted on 27-12-2007 @ 03:22 PM by liv074_v.2

(deep breath)
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hello spiked

i do not have access to john's original image, or have the programs to filter images; so will have to leave it to others to help you there.
..unless my windows 98 ME has the ability..??
(hmmm, probably not

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hello zorgon

i think i have been un-descriptive there, again.

i am well aware the anomaly is visible in all versions of image No 102;
and think you will find i was refering to other 'low-res' images of the the same area that do not not 'show' the 'structure'.
(and was venting my frustration at nasa for not attatching links to them, so i could study in detail.)

and i'm glad you spotted this image in particular.
i do not think it shows the 'structure', but it does hint at cut and paste work possibly! (..hopefully!!)

(i can't see it in the other lowres images (NOT 102's) i posted, as it's possible nasa has 'erased' it better; in my opinion.)
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as for your 'spheres',
am new here, and to this image; and am unaware of them so am not of any help sorry

am also unaware of the other image you have posted for comparison, but appears to also show the same shaped structure; so is very informative and usefull.

cheers all

reply posted on 27-12-2007 @ 08:45 PM by johnlear

Originally posted by spikedmilk

Hey there John, Happy Holidays to you and your family. Hey, thank you for posting your copy of LO1-102. I blew it it up quite 'large-like' and noticed some oddities. I was wondering if you if had the time and if you'd be so kind to point out some of the anomolies you've taken note of. I just wanted to be sure of sure of what I'm seeing. Thanks much John. Take care.
SpikeD.

Thanks spikedmilk. There are so many oddities in L!-102. L1-102 comes in 2 parts. We are looking at the right hand part. This is the left hand part on which I placed circles on some of the oddities that Zorgon and I found:

My scans of the photo were 24 mgs so you may not see what we see.

Here is a portion of the lower right hand section of L1-102. It is full of anomalies. See if you can pick out any of them:

reply posted on 28-12-2007 @ 01:10 AM by zorgon

Originally posted by liv074_v.2
the 'tone' of your posts has me stunned.

Hmmm not sure why you seem to have taken it out of context

and this ain't no 'another moon thread'!!

Well actually... yes it is...

and that comment with the rolling eyes was not directed at you... just a groan at having one more thread to work in.

this is an attempted..
"..systematic study of a particular anomoly on a certain section of the moon..";

I assume then you missed THIS

"Nice presentation livo74... "

(..but i am waiting for some moron to post something like "..yeah, that's interesting; but what do you think of this anomoly i found at copernicus..?")

Most likely will happen... Always does

but ummm we don't call people moron's here (even if there may be a few who would fit the dictionary definition

) and especially not anyone posting another moon anomaly

reply posted on 28-12-2007 @ 04:15 AM by liv074_v.2

massive thankyou for the info, sherpa

(would bore you in more detail in a U2U, but can't untill twenty posts

)

reply posted on 28-12-2007 @ 04:35 AM by liv074_v.2

reply to post by zorgon

jeez your anal.(it's not being precise, it's being anal)
you knew exactly what i meant by saying this ain't 'another moon thread', yet you had to push your point.

and it was to avoid the mess a standard 'moonthread' creates,..
eg: "..a thousand people trying to study a thousand different anomolies at the same time in the same".
that i started this thread.

so i did not appreciate you rolling your eyes.

(and you do have a 'tone', buddy.
i think it's possible that most people just don't have the balls to point it out to you.)

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zorgon, i require your help;
with this thread to see if we can shove it up nasa's a#@;

..and also in my other project i hold dear;

...so pleases!!!! i will be more precise, and carefull,
and you be nice! please sir.

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