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Originally posted by servicesix
I find it interesting that people still think DU is dangerous. I believe it is somewhat akin to the radon scam that was going around about 20 years or so ago. I know in the Northeast US they were selling "radon detectors" all over the place. That, as it happens, is bunk. There is actually an inverse relationship between radon levels and rates of cancer, not because radon is so wonderful, but because areas in the US with low radon levels tend to have more people who smoke and are much more densely populated, i.e., they have more pollution. Incidentally, DU is pyrophoric, when it contacts other metals it tends to burst into flames, similar to magnesium, that is why the Navy stopped using DU projectiles in the CIWS, they had concerns about fires aboard the ships. If you managed to injest DU dust from fired munitions, you would probably need to be in a tank or structure that was fired upon and the likelyhood of a human surviving that event and being within range to inhale dust is pretty low. Your getting more rads typing about the dangers of DU then you would from being around it.
Also, I was at the Nevada Test Site about ten years ago, no cancer yet. Kids are all normal also. If NTS was intended to depopulate the U.S., why is it in the middle of nowhere? NTS is a huge facility, large than Rhode Island (that isn't saying much, I know), where, as far as I know, has only done underground testing since around 1960. It is currently a DOE facility, as the US Air Force handed it over to them several years ago. Now, prior to 1960 a lot of above ground testing was done, and, while I don't believe our government is necessarily very honest, a lot of what happened in this instance was ignorance. I believe in 1954 an Army company was marched through one of the ground zero sites shortly after a weapon was detonated and with several years all of those men did die of cancer. However, don't forget, Marie Curie died of breast cancer, but she used to carry radon around in her pocket. Very little was understood about the long term effects of radiation until the 1960's.
As a side note, as far as I know all testing was ended at NTS in the mid 1970's.
The gun fires a mix of both high explosive incendiary (HEI) and armored piercing incendiary (API) ammunition. The PGU-13/B HEI High Explosive Incendiary round employs a standard M505 fuze and explosive mixture with a body of naturally fragmenting material that is effective against lighter vehicle and material targets. The PGU-14/B API Armor Piercing Incendiary round has a lightweight body which contains a sub-calibre high density penetrator of Depleted Uranium (DU). In addition to its penetrating capability DU is a natural pyrophoric material which enhances the incendiary effects. The PGU-15/B TP Target Practice projectile simulates the exterior ballistics and provides a ballistic match to the HEI round and is used for pilot training.
Depleted uranium results from the enriching of natural uranium for use in nuclear reactors. Natural uranium is a slightly radioactive metal that is present in most rocks and soils as well as in many rivers and sea water. Natural uranium consists primarily of a mixture of two isotopes (forms) of uranium, Uranium-235 (U235) and Uranium-238 (U238), in the proportion of about 0.7 and 99.3 percent, respectively. Nuclear reactors require U235 to produce energy, therefore, the natural uranium has to be enriched to obtain the isotope U235 by removing a large part of the U238. Uranium-238 becomes DU, which is 0.7 times as radioactive as natural uranium. . Since DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years, there is very little decay of those DU materials. When manufactured as 30mm rounds, each DU projectile contains approximately 4,650 grains [0.66 pounds (lbs)] of extruded DU, alloyed with 0.75 weight percent titanium. The projectile is encased in a 0.8 mm-thick aluminum shell as the final DU round.
Originally posted by servicesix
As for the 1,000,000 servicemen have been killed or debillitated figure, I wish I could think of something more eloquent. I am sure that a newspaper from another country that is rapidly turning socialist might have their heart in the right place, but give me a break.
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DU is considered both a toxic and radioactive hazard that requires long term storage as low level nuclear waste. DU is relatively expensive to store but relatively inexpensive to produce or obtain. Generally the only real costs are those associated with conversion of uranium hexafluoride (UF6) to metal. DU is 67 percent denser than lead, only slightly less than tungsten and gold, and just 16 percent less dense than osmium or iridium, the densest naturally occurring substances known. However, the material is prone to corrosion and small particles are pyrophoric. Its use in ammunition is controversial because of its release into the environment. Besides its residual radioactivity, U-238 is a heavy metal whose compounds are known from laboratory studies to be toxic to mammals in high exposures.
Some states and the International Coalition to Ban Uranium Weapons, a coalition of more than 90 non-governmental organizations, have asked for a ban on the production and military use of depleted uranium weapons. The European Parliament has repeatedly passed resolutions requesting an immediate moratorium on the further use of depleted uranium ammunition, but France and Britain – the only EU states that are also permanent members of the United Nations Security Council – have consistently rejected calls for a ban, maintaining that its use continues to be legal, and that the health risks are entirely unsubstantiated.
The external radiation dose from DU is about 60 percent of that from the same mass of natural uranium
I believe it is somewhat akin to the radon scam that was going around about 20 years or so ago. I know in the Northeast US they were selling "radon detectors" all over the place. That, as it happens, is bunk.
Radon: The Health Hazard with a Simple Solution
Radon is a cancer-causing natural radioactive gas that you can’t see, smell or taste. Its presence in your home can pose a danger to your family's health. Radon is the leading cause of lung cancer among non-smokers. Radon is the second leading cause of lung cancer in America and claims about 20,000 lives annually.
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Exposure to Radon Causes Lung Cancer In Non-smokers and Smokers Alike
Lung cancer kills thousands of Americans every year. The untimely deaths of Peter Jennings and Dana Reeve have raised public awareness about lung cancer, especially among people who have never smoked. Smoking, radon, and secondhand smoke are the leading causes of lung cancer. Although lung cancer can be treated, the survival rate is one of the lowest for those with cancer. From the time of diagnosis, between 11 and 15 percent of those afflicted will live beyond five years, depending upon demographic factors. In many cases lung cancer can be prevented; this is especially true for radon.
Originally posted by Thurisaz relax c'mon it just a littel bit of urnanium and it is good for us...eben genocide is good for os cos it ikeeps the pop'n down we neeed depsots to balnce out the normal peple.
In ammunition, Depleted Uranium makes up the armor piercing portion of the projectile. If any radiation remains inside this "plug" of DU , then it isn't depleted uranium at all. It is partially depleted uranium and the DU was not made properly. Since the U.S. Government generally makes all it's own ammunition, then it is obviously their fault that the ammunition was not properly made. If any contractors worked with the government to make this ammunition that is harmful then, obviously, they are responsible as well. To what extent who knows. The government isn't exactly honest about these things..
Gulf War syndrome also comes to mind.
Originally posted by Bspiracy
After reading the whole thread and readin fritz repeaedly focus the point on what the OP actually said and everyone repeatedly try and find some fault in the concept of DU. Fine. It's bad. If you read the links and follow the sources you'll see that DU affects the human JUST LIKE uranium which is pure.
What is the topic?
Originally posted by ShatteredSkies
When did Germany join the Security Council?
I thought it was US, Russia, China, France, England.
I know not very relevant, but just a minor correction if applicable, maybe I'm wrong, but I was always under the impression those were the permanent members.