Originally posted by SlightlyAbovePar
- There does appear to be a valid argument for too much dust, too large a cloud and too wide the debris field
- Dust samples only measure fine dust and do not provide a sample size indicative of all the concrete present, only the size of the particles
sampled. Which, by the nature of a dust sample, is fine dust. Meaning, the anything larger than a few hundred microns (really small) was not included
in the sample
- Arguments galore and finger pointing between the mathematicians. Each side seems to use figures or assumptions that are favorable to the desired
outcome
- Each of the equations run through appear to have assumptions included, no matter which side. What this means to me is that until a basis can be
agreed upon, no real, total consensus can take place
- Each side tends to claim the others' calculations are incomplete and use "faulty" or is missing components that take into account all the
present factors
- The sample size in Lioy's study are ridiculously small (3) and by no means representative
- I haven't been able to find a work-through including the contents of the building itself (furniture, dry walls, stairwells, doors, computers,
etc)
- This needs further investigation
- Neither side, to me, has "proven" it's case
And that's the truth and I will admit it to you.
Now having said that, I think once a widely accepted explanation has been put forward rabid truthers will ignore it and rabid debunkers will cling to
it.
A very good anaysis of the current state of affairs, I agree with all of those points. No matter who writes the science paper, whether they are a
'truther' or agreeing with the official account, the opposing side has always found assumptions in their models. It is a matter of perspective, and
no definitive conclusions can be drawn form any paper.
Most of the scientists that have looked at the collapse have noted this also. David L Griscom (Ph.D. in Physics, Brown University, 1966. Fellow,
American Physical Society) has got the solution to all of this, someone with supercomputer facilities needs to model the collaspes to know what
happened for sure. The trouble is computers that powerful are hard to come by.
Therefore, I implore my fellow physicists and engineers who may have the time, expertise, and (ideally) supercomputer access to get to work on the
physics of the World Trade Center collapses and publish their findings in refereed journals like, say, the Journal of Applied Physics.
This paper, by him, is also a good read, and shows well how easy it is to disprove peoples modelling of the collapses, unless a supercomputer is used
to find out exactly;
www.journalof911studies.com...
[edit on 4-1-2008 by ZeuZZ]