World Trade Center Not a Demolition: New Mark Roberts Video, page 1
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reply posted on 21-12-2007 @ 10:13 AM by gottago
reply to post by SkepticOverlord



Not to belabor the point, but if you post regularly on this board you are already exposed to all debunking efforts ad infinitum. That is its great strength, btw.

Also that it is not static, like this video, which picks and chooses its arguments and "builds" a case based on foundational questions that are not those the most informed 9/11 skeptics are asking.

So I do hope you'll also post another video from the opposition that you find worthy of discussion, and point out why you have selected these videos in specific terms. What is it in them that brings the debate forward?

Quite obviously your position here carries with it influence, and the mere fact of posting a video promoting one side of the debate is a form of influence, all disclaimers aside.


reply posted on 21-12-2007 @ 10:24 AM by CaptainObvious
reply to post by gottago



Gottago ~

So much for finding the truth huh? Truthers often ignore the facts that are presented to them. It appears that although you call it sophmoric and improper, you have not stated anything that is in error with this video.

As I have stated before and several others, Mark Roberts is a key member when it comes to 911 facts. He has encyclopedic knowledge of the events prior, during, and post 911. He has debated several members of the truth movement on a show called HARDFIRE. On the few occasions he did do this, he made the members of the movement look ...well like idiots. A simple google or youtube search will have all of his debates listed. Since his name has been spread around the 911 web, there are no leaders of the truth movement that are willing to debate him. Kevin Ryan has backed out and well as others.

Thanks ~

C.O.


reply posted on 21-12-2007 @ 10:39 AM by Sublime620
reply to post by CaptainObvious



I hate to be a jerk but I guess that depends on who he's arguing with and how fair of a discussion it was. For instance, and again I hate to say this, but regularly Bsbray and Griff* do exactly that to you - make you look like an idiot that is.

I guess my point is this, it's not really side that you are arguing but rather your qualifications and knowledge. Maybe Mark Roberts isn't choosing worthy opponenets.

*Edit to fix Griff's name. I always put Griffin. To much Family Guy?

[edit on 21-12-2007 by Sublime620]


reply posted on 21-12-2007 @ 12:04 PM by CaptainObvious
reply to post by Sublime620



First of all Griff does not make me look like an idiot. We have very open discussions. BsBray has been on ignore with me for months for reasons his is well aware of.

Sublime, please point out a post where I have made a mistake. I promise to look into it and retract or fix any errors.

In regards to the members of the truth movement, they ALL refuse to debate people who have any knowledge. They all claim that NIST and other government officals will not debate them...and claim that is an admission of guilt.

And please refrain from calling me an idiot.


reply posted on 21-12-2007 @ 12:26 PM by CaptainObvious
Originally posted by Griff
I'm sorry, but if Mark "Gravy" Roberts is your best bet, then you have nothing to stand on.

Let me ask again. What are his qualifications? A tour guide in NYC? How does this make him an expert in anything other than guiding tours around NYC?


Please show me where Mark Roberts has made erros in any of his statements. There is a thread at Jref asking the same thing.... so far... there are none. ( there are many that are trying )

forums.randi.org...

I did NOT say that he was an expert. Please re-read my post. I stated that he has encyclopedic knowledge. Mark has gathered an abundance of information and put papers together. If you wish to read some of his work, here is a link to them:

wtc7lies.googlepages.com...



Again Griff... and others. Please post the errors that he has made.


Can you list the people he has debated? Thanks.


The ones i know of:

Hardfire Telvision Debates:

Jim Fetzer
Dylan and Jason (Loose Change)

He has also debated at Ground Zero with Alex Jones and others.

Please let me look into who else.



Could it possibly be that the truth movement leaders are sick of his sophmorishness and think of him as a waste of their time? I know I do. I won't debate him for these very same reasons. Does that mean that he has "won" the debate with me because I feel he is not qualified to debate to begin with?


Griff, so someone needs to have a degree for you to debate with? Why don't you e-mail him? U2U him here? PM him @ Jref? See for your self what his qualifications are?

Mark Roberts email: nyctours@gmail.com

Kevin Ryan has backed out and well as others.

Going by your logic, we on ATS can claim that we have "won" the debate against both Mark Roberts and Ryan Mackey. Because they refuse to join ATS and actually debate.

We won, we won, we won.

See how easy it is to win debates in CO's mind?


thats NOT what I said Griff I actually thought you were above this type of post.....that is the logic of the truthers.... Kevin Ryan will only debate members of NIST becasue he KNOWS that they will not do it.


reply posted on 21-12-2007 @ 01:01 PM by CaptainObvious
reply to post by Griff



That is NOT my logic Griff. I gave you his e-mail adress.. im sure he will answer you there. When I stated he made the truthers he debated with look like idiots ...was because he showed how ignorant they were.



reply posted on 21-12-2007 @ 01:09 PM by talisman
reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT



He apparently is a member here. Why not openly challenge him here?
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