World Trade Center Not a Demolition: New Mark Roberts Video, page 1

New 9/11 Conspiracies Debunking Video From Mark "Gravy" Roberts

Without claim as to the accuracy of the content, this video from someone who has become the "lead Truth Movement debunker," is presented for discussion by ATS members.

This video is about how obviously wrong the 9/11 conspiracy theorists are that WTC buildings 1, 2, and 7 were destroyed by explosive demolition, about how they resort to lying to try to cling to their fantasies, and about how they posit the use of exotic sci-fi weapons while criticizing others who do the same.

Includes discussion of claims by conspiracists Steven Jones and members of his Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice, Richard Gage and members of his Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, David Ray Griffin, Dylan Avery and Loose Change, Jim Hoffman, "9/11 Mysteries," Jim Fetzer, Kevin Ryan, and others.

Issues discussed include controlled demolition, blast effects, cutter charges, potential energy of towers, audio fakery and deception, severity of fires, the expected collapse of WTC 7, "pyroclastic flows," and the dust clouds produced by the collapses.

Comments are presented by expert structural engineers and WTC investigators Gene Corley, Matthys Levy, Leslie Robertson, Irwin Cantor, and by FDNY Chief Daniel Nigro.

Work and calculations by Zdenek Bazant, Frank Greening, Ryan Mackey and others is cited.

Originally posted by Griff
I'm sorry, but if Mark "Gravy" Roberts is your best bet, then you have nothing to stand on.

Let me ask again. What are his qualifications? A tour guide in NYC? How does this make him an expert in anything other than guiding tours around NYC?

Please show me where Mark Roberts has made erros in any of his statements. There is a thread at Jref asking the same thing.... so far... there are none. ( there are many that are trying )

forums.randi.org...

I did NOT say that he was an expert. Please re-read my post. I stated that he has encyclopedic knowledge. Mark has gathered an abundance of information and put papers together. If you wish to read some of his work, here is a link to them:

wtc7lies.googlepages.com...

Again Griff... and others. Please post the errors that he has made.

Can you list the people he has debated? Thanks.

The ones i know of:

Hardfire Telvision Debates:

Jim Fetzer
Dylan and Jason (Loose Change)

He has also debated at Ground Zero with Alex Jones and others.

Please let me look into who else.

Could it possibly be that the truth movement leaders are sick of his sophmorishness and think of him as a waste of their time? I know I do. I won't debate him for these very same reasons. Does that mean that he has "won" the debate with me because I feel he is not qualified to debate to begin with?

Griff, so someone needs to have a degree for you to debate with? Why don't you e-mail him? U2U him here? PM him @ Jref? See for your self what his qualifications are?

Mark Roberts email: nyctours@gmail.com

Kevin Ryan has backed out and well as others.

Going by your logic, we on ATS can claim that we have "won" the debate against both Mark Roberts and Ryan Mackey. Because they refuse to join ATS and actually debate.

We won, we won, we won.

See how easy it is to win debates in CO's mind?

thats NOT what I said Griff I actually thought you were above this type of post.....that is the logic of the truthers.... Kevin Ryan will only debate members of NIST becasue he KNOWS that they will not do it.