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Is Technology making us dumb and less able to survive

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posted on Dec, 21 2007 @ 06:11 AM
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Although we see technology as a natural progression and what appears to be a requirement for advancement does said technology acually make us inferior.

We see ourselves as technos and accept that all these improvements are for the better but are they. Modern man does not give a seconds thought to the modern tools around him but could we survive without it.

How many could grow crops to sustain a family, how many know how to make simple metal tools, electricity, pottery or any other item you care to think of.

Take the car, many people drive but most dont actually know how a car works or how they could put one together if they had to. Will we see a generation who will not know how to write their own names. Many people today cannot even do simple math in their .s or on paper, they rely on the computer and other gadgets.

Look at Sat Nav for most its just a toy they dont need, most people travel on the same roads every day and have a super computer in their .s (or should have) yet they rely on gadgets so they dont have to use their brains.

Are we sowing the seeds for our own destruction, yes we need technology to a point but not to the point where it makes us all dumb. Dumb to the point that if there was a global disaster many would perish simply through lacking the basic skills and knowledge to survive.




posted on Dec, 21 2007 @ 06:19 AM
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I wouldn't blame it solely on technology. In fact I wouldn't even blame it on technology at all. I think it's more of a matter of education and mind-set. As you probably have figured out, I'm enamoured with technology. But at the same time I am also aware of the amount of hardship I'll face should that technology be taken away from me. As a result I have made it a priority to the learn basic survival skills you have mentioned earlier since I was young.

Today, if you toss me into a jungle with barely any supplies, I'm fairly confident I can cope and survive until I reach civilization.

[edit on 21-12-2007 by Beachcoma]



posted on Dec, 21 2007 @ 07:48 AM
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Right now I've got a mobile communications device that lets me place a voice call or send a picture or send a message to anyone else on this planet that has one also or has a telephone connected to a landline. There is a music player in the other pocket, able to play videos, tell me the time in over 100 cities and every timezone, view pictures, and of course play music to keep me from getting bored. In my wallet, there are multiple cards, all of which employ magnetic strips that store information enabling me to access money stored in electronic bank accounts from anywhere in the country, and in over a dozen outside of this one. Right now I am typing on a computer which is connected to a large network of other computers, which all up contains just about every piece of information ever uncovered or learnt by anyone over the course of human history, and I am freely allowed to read any of this. Just down the hall is the TV, which is connected to the set-top box, which, via satellite uplink, streams hundreds of channels right into my house and I can view any one of these any time. Within 10 metres of me there are three radios which receive and amplify electromagnetic pulses sent from antenna arrays hundreds of kilometres away, as well as 2 radios that can send and receive on over 60 channels to a range only limited by the earth's curvature. I have cameras that can record thousands of pixels multiple times each second, speakers that can go outside the tonal range of human hearing, devices to keep my food cold, and my pets are implanted with microchips.

But if that power cable goes down, then all of that goes to ****, or at least will when the batteries run out.



posted on Dec, 21 2007 @ 08:11 AM
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In a word, "Yes"! Technology has allowed people to take things for granted. Too many people, I'm afraid, are going to look at this thread and immediately think of "technology" as computers and electronics. But it is really so much more than that. The technology du jour happens to me micro-processor based for the most part, but technology, in and of itself, are simply advancements.

Some examples... The assembly line made famous by Ford Motor Co. and Fisher Auto Body was the technology of it's day. It took the craftsmanship out of making cars by hand. Up to that point you had a group of people who had complete and total knowledge of building an entire car. After that technological advancement, however, people became specialists and only knew their job on the line. As a result, you had many people that knew how to turn wrenches but very few who knew the process from start to finish.

The same can be said of food. Refrideration was a technological advancement of it's time. It eliminated the need for people to know and understand how to cure and store meat. It made extinct the knowledge of canning, jarring and pickling. Not to mention the fact that now food cood be processed, prepared and moved long distances into stores. As a result, fewer people are involved in the creation of their food chains and probably could not provide for themselves if modern conveniences were to disappear.

So, again, yes... technology has eroded a great deal of basic survival knowledge and skills. We have become too reliant on technology and that will ultimately lead to our downfall.



posted on Dec, 25 2007 @ 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by kozmo
In a word, "Yes"! Technology has allowed people to take things for granted. Too many people, I'm afraid, are going to look at this thread and immediately think of "technology" as computers and electronics. But it is really so much more than that. The technology du jour happens to me micro-processor based for the most part, but technology, in and of itself, are simply advancements.

Some examples... The assembly line made famous by Ford Motor Co. and Fisher Auto Body was the technology of it's day. It took the craftsmanship out of making cars by hand. Up to that point you had a group of people who had complete and total knowledge of building an entire car. After that technological advancement, however, people became specialists and only knew their job on the line. As a result, you had many people that knew how to turn wrenches but very few who knew the process from start to finish.

The same can be said of food. Refrideration was a technological advancement of it's time. It eliminated the need for people to know and understand how to cure and store meat. It made extinct the knowledge of canning, jarring and pickling. Not to mention the fact that now food cood be processed, prepared and moved long distances into stores. As a result, fewer people are involved in the creation of their food chains and probably could not provide for themselves if modern conveniences were to disappear.

So, again, yes... technology has eroded a great deal of basic survival knowledge and skills. We have become too reliant on technology and that will ultimately lead to our downfall.


I disagree, the ability to create technology is our key survival skill. Humans aren't lack the strength, speed, sharp teeth, and claws to kill other animals without technology.

What puts us at the top of the food chain is our intelligence and ability to create technology. Humans would've died out thousands of years ago if we couldn't use fire, build shelter, and build weapons.

Modern technology has it's strengths and weaknesses, just like most things. It makes our lives more efficient and easier, but we do rely on electronics more than we should. It's also a reason for the growing obesity in the U.S, but it's also the reason for improved standard of living and life expectancy. A lot of people are lazy, we don't exercise and explore the world we live in first person.

Tecnology is advancing rapidly, but it hasn't made us less intelligent or weaker. There's always a downside of technology. Cell Phones make it easier to communicate with people, but it also makes it easier for people to track us. Nuclear weapons are keeping the worlds powers from fighting major wars, but they could also wipe out most of man kind.



posted on Dec, 25 2007 @ 12:18 AM
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I think that technology is going to save more people in the end. With the internet we have a means of communicating and giving each other survival techniques. There would be alot of people unaware of the possible doom coming in 2012 if it were not for the internet.

All you have to do is google survival techniques to get hints on how to survive certain disasters.

Also TV is a technology that can help us all prepare with shows like survivorman (my favorite). That show takes you down to the bare minimum of what you can survive with for 7 days.

Technology is a good thing if you ask me


Stari



posted on Dec, 25 2007 @ 07:16 AM
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Stari, the point is its not about surviving in the wilderness for a week or so its about having the knowledge to grow crops, to make and work metals and other materials, medicine etc. When the time comes most will perish because of lack of these skills, irrespective of how well you have planned or what supplies you may have they will not last forever and without the aforementioned skills you will perish.

The mistake people make is to assume that they will have time to plan but what if you dont and you dont have your survival kit or supplies what do you do then. Its about sustainability for a life time not a couple of weeks roughing it out in the wild.



posted on Dec, 25 2007 @ 07:50 AM
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And the point he made was that with the technology at your disposal now, you can arm yourselves with the knowledge that you have mentioned earlier. With the internet all those basic skills for survival our forebears have is now a web search away.

Not sure where to start? You don't have to go far. ATS has an entire forum dedicated to survival techniques. The point is to arm yourself with the knowledge. What is the point of whining and moaning about how technology is lessening one's ability to survive? Like everything in life, it has two sides. Use that technology to your advantage. Read. Learn. Discover.

And as for 'roughing it out in the wild', those activities build up your practical skills. Those skills, like all motor skills, stay with you for life. There is no need to worry about it running out.

The mistake a lot of people seem to make is that they think it's the supplies they need. That's not right. It's the attitude and how you handle the challenges life throws at you.

Get off the computer and just do it.



posted on Dec, 25 2007 @ 09:49 AM
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That was well put Beachcoma.

The title of this thread lead me to believe that this thread was about how technology is making us dumb and less able to survive. I was simply pointing out how that was not true.

It would still take alot of common sense to survive any kind of catastrophic event and even that would not mean that you will be able to avoid death when the time comes.

Stari



posted on Dec, 25 2007 @ 10:06 AM
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I can tell you that I spent hours looking for the remote to my television, but not one time did I go and change the channels manually.

After I found it I was relieved and sat down and started channel surfing again. I do watch alot of survival shows and read alot about it. I have plenty of camping gear, fishing poles, bow, guns and know how to start a fire from scratch. I'm a good cook and could cook up some good squirrel, opposum, fish, birds etc if I had to. But technology isn't making us dumb, it's the person who doesn't want to get out in nature and learn about it and how to survive if needed to.



posted on Dec, 25 2007 @ 10:58 AM
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There is a great quote by Robert A. Heinlein. There is a least one ATS member who has this as their sig.

"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."

One thing that technology has done has been to force our society into specialization. I'm sure there is a formula that would be able to establish that the larger and more reliant on tehcnology a population becomes, the more specialized its members have to be. That only works as long as the technology does. If the technological infrastructure fails, so will the society that is dependant on it because it is much easier to specialize than unspecialize. Maybe you can learn to farm or hunt but can you do it quick enough not to starve while possibly having to defend yourself from less prepared and less industious neighbors? There is a lot more to it than taking the occasional weekend walks in the national park.

All in all, I would have to answer that yes, in general, technology could be said to be making many of us dumb and less able to survive, depending on the situation. I think that in a major infrastructure collapse like the one I fear will happen in the US eventually, many people would find that the only useful skill they possess is to do what someone else tells them to do and hope to get fed by someone who has control of the right skills, not fed upon by those who don't.



posted on Dec, 25 2007 @ 03:34 PM
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Stari/Beach, technology is making us dumb, the fact that you cannot see that is telling, long before man new how to even glimpse a computer or a tv he could hunt and grow crops he could survive in the most bleak of environments, how many could do that today with their cushy lives and everything at ther click of a switch.

Man today is soft, lazy and incapapable of fending for himself or his family outside of the so called modern world. Our so called advances are stripping us of the very means to survive if we had to face life in any other concept than the one we know.

The greater our reliance on technology then the quicker our demise as an intelligent lifeform, again strip away the techno and people cannot carry out the most basic functions. We need both, our skills and the continual developement of them and the use of technology but not technology at the expense of everyting else.



posted on Dec, 25 2007 @ 03:49 PM
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What I see is a lot of people unable to see seize the moment and expand their knowledge. Instead, they choose to sit cushy, as you said, and continue to bemoan 'the downfall of society' instead of doing something about it. They blame it on this and that and everything under the Sun except for themselves. As you say, man is lazy -- lazy to think that is. Easier to blame it on something rather than themselves.

I'm sorry. If these people get stripped of their technology and become unable to survive, then that is the way it is going to be. I care not for idealisms any more. So, too bad if they didn't prepare themselves with practical knowledge.

Life is a bitch; nobody said it was going to be easy.



posted on Dec, 25 2007 @ 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by magicmushroom
Stari/Beach, technology is making us dumb, the fact that you cannot see that is telling,


Are you calling us dumb?


Read the topic (Is technology making us dumb and less able to survive).

My post back was saying no it is not technology, and actually the info needed to survive such a catastrophic disaster is on the Internet right at anyones finger tips if they have a connection to the internet.

It is people who are dumb enough not to look up this info and prepare for an unknown future. Catastrophes has happend in the past and it will again in the future.

Technology doesn't make people dumb, people make themselves dumb.

Stari



posted on Dec, 26 2007 @ 12:36 PM
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Stari, if I could make it clear for you if a person is taught to cook, to use a range of raw ingredients and bring them together to make a meal would you say that person is more knowledgeable than a person who cannot cook but opens a packet of food and sticks it in a microwave and relies on the knowledge of others to do the job for them.

Yes you can say the person who does not cook is lazy, or has a busy lifestyle but they are still at a disadvantage to the aformentioned.



posted on Dec, 26 2007 @ 12:40 PM
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The only thing that has been dumbed down is spirituality as many people do not look to God so much and can not understand religion as they once used to. Yes our hearts have been taken away from conepts of God by what technology has given but at the same time like the internet, it has made up for lost information.



posted on Dec, 26 2007 @ 03:30 PM
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There is nothing wrong with technology. What is bad is new technology combined with an undeveloped human (culturally, socially and spiritually speaking).

Old habits (war) plus new technology (nukes) equals disaster.



posted on Dec, 26 2007 @ 03:47 PM
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Technology can be used for good if man would look only from within. We must have everbodys heart in place to utilize it as a tool for information.



posted on Dec, 26 2007 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by magicmushroom
Stari, if I could make it clear for you if a person is taught to cook, to use a range of raw ingredients and bring them together to make a meal would you say that person is more knowledgeable than a person who cannot cook but opens a packet of food and sticks it in a microwave and relies on the knowledge of others to do the job for them.


I understand what you are trying to say here but I do not believe that it is the microwave that is dumb here. If the person wishes to not learn the basics of life which is how to fend for themselves and catch and cook a fish for instance then that is not the microwave that is dumb.



posted on Dec, 26 2007 @ 10:15 PM
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Technology is not making us more dumb, in fact it is helping us survive much better. If technology was for some reason destroyed can we survive? That is the real question. The answer is of course we can, but it would take a big effort to become more adaptable to our environment. The people who survived the last ice age had to adapt to it, so I don't see why we can not.



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