Revealed: The seven great "medical myths"

Originally posted by palehorse23
reply to post by Badge01

 

Most research is done on animals (generally rats) and not a lot of studies are done on primates. (it's expensive).

Not true. There is a significant amount of research being done on primates. Mostly virus and neurological study. I work at the University of Rochester medical center genetics department and I see many, many, many primates going to and from the research labs as we are on the same floor.

Excuse me? You're saying my comment is not true based on work that you've seen at Univ of Rodchester, which is one medical center.

The truth is the -majority- of studies on human health and behavior is done with rats.

Yes, primates are used but they are in the great minority.

The point remains, check the studies upon which statements are made and be aware that even with primates, there's a different response than in humans in some cases. Too often studies are cited and when you look closely, you find animal models. This means that some skepticism is in order.

reply to post by Badge01


Let's not get too upset now. I should have said I disagree not that it was untrue. The only reason I say that is because there are many bigger Universities in this country and you mean to tell me that they are not using many primates? All I am saying is that if we are using them, there must be bigger Universities using them as well.

[edit on 12/23/2007 by palehorse23]

Originally posted by Quantum_Squirrel

See what a lot of people do not know is that it has to be just water , u cant dilute it with juice / squash / pop. because the body processes water differently.

when its mixed with soemthing the body processes it as food .. water on its own is dealt with slightly differently ...

[edit on 21/12/07 by Quantum_Squirrel]

wow, ignorance is running amouk.
PLEASE tell me your just guessing and not some "doctor" somewhere because that would seriously depress me.

I don't mean to spam you or anything but come on, why would anyone believe this? First and foremost, unless you are drinking distilled water, ALL water has something other than H20 in it and that would classify as "food" with your (flawed) logic.

Water from Pepsi is WATER.

This is how BS gets spread, you know, like catching a cold with a wet head or with sockless feet...

Originally posted by BitRaiser
Aside from that, don't they usually administer immuno-suppressives when giving a major blood infusion?

No they do not. Some kids have reactions and they are premedicated with banadryl and tylenol to help prevent those (Esp the oncology kids) but an immunosupressant would be huge trouble in a sick patients esp. if they are infected etc.

Type matching goes down to the antigen these days

reply to post by gormly

While other animals get most of their water from food, humans typically don't and should take in extra water. But it is indeed true that water is water. Water from food is best as it keeps the digestive processes well lubricated and moving in the right direction, but drinking any source of water is good. Alcohol and caffeine are diuretics and should be avoided, but if you're parched they'll still do the job.

Originally posted by Badge01
If there is an unexpected death in the OR, they have to close the room and begin an investigation, much like 'yellow taping' you see in CSI. Then an investigation is done to determine the CoD

Worked as a PICU / CCT transport specialist for over 13 years and NEVER had an OR "Crime Taped". We spend alot of time in the OR and have had kids die there and NO CSI routine at all. Even in the kids that come out "dead" there is no CSI type investigation. Or taping off of the room.

Deaths in the OR or 24 hours after surgery are a coronors case, thats about it. None of the above mentioned drama

You, sir are sounding very naive. There's been a whole commission on this. As a former OSHA investigator, believe me, I know. Just take this as a pointer and do your own searching. It's rampant; from big mistakes to small mistakes. Another scandal is the problem of Nurses taking patients' pain meds.

Hmmmmm. Its not as bad as the fear mongers make out. yes there are mistakes and groups like JACHO compound the problem by adding an endless stream of paperwork. You are so focused on the documentation, only half you time is actually with the patient. For a 1 hour transport I generate about 30 pages of paper that take about 2-3 hours to fill out.

You make it sound like every other nurse is a junkie. Kindly show me the diversion rates? (Don't tell me to google it either you are sure so let me know.

Doesn't mean the problem is non-existent, now, does it?

My we are snarky today. There is a system in place to deal with it. If you are that upset about it, I suggest that you lobby your congressman to set up a goverment agency to research and produce these drugs. To expect a for profit industry to go out of thier way to loose money is beating a dead horse.

The immunosuppressive effect of blood transfusion is very well known. Google that phrase.

I think the word you are looking for is immunomodulation. At anyrate the literature seems to go both ways. Also using leykopoor blood which we almost always do in peds (Remember I know nothing about the adult side or how thay practice)

Many of the adult studies (and mostly dealing with cancer) show

after stratifying patients into stages and applying proportional regression analyses, blood transfusion did not appear to have any effect on prognosis: relative risk ratio, 1.16;p=0.28. Similarly, comparison of patients transfused with more than 600 cc of blood and those transfused with 600 cc of blood or less revealed no statistical difference in survival time.
www.springerlink.com...

reply to post by gormly


Dude your wrong but thanx for saying i am talking BS.

If its just water in your stomach it is treated differently.

yes yes if something else is in there as well then its buisness as usual, or as a previous poster stated if u eat coffee then drink the water it will mix in your stomach yes.

But if its just water it is treated differently yes from a doctor , no i am not one.

reply to post by Quantum_Squirrel


I have to agree witht he other poster but Ill be a bit more polite.

Water / liquids etc all get absorbed in the same manner as everything else. I am unaware of any major change in phyiological process that the digestive system undergoes that is so fundamentlly different that when its just water versus say Gatoraid. Sure with gatoraid there are more electrolytes and sugars to absorb, but nothing really changes eh?

reply to post by FredT


Its possible your both correct, just done a lil research and i can't find a mention of water being treated differently.

this is a good link for a guide to the digestive system.

GUIDE

i will research further and also prod the person that told me this and ask why they think this is so.

reply to post by Quantum_Squirrel


Maybe not eight glasses of water, but I know out of experience that not enough water is partially responsible for headaches/migraines. As is reading in dim light for long periods.

Most of the others I have no opinion on, but there is no factual evidence for the Cell-phone mythologies concerning hospitals and aeroplanes. It is true, however, that cellular towers in residential areas are damaging to the health of the local populace.

On the cellphone thing, this is what I understand to be true:

Have you ever talked to someone using a cellphone near a radio and did you hear any interference? OK, me neither.

So why are airlines and hospitals so anti-cell phone? The reason is that a cellphone isn't always a cellphone. Sometimes a cellphone is a very powerful packet radio transmitter and thats where all the trouble begins.

Cellphone calls operate at a fairly low-power and a specific frequency that makes them pretty much immune to interference* with other forms of communications equipment.

SMS text messages operate in a similar band to FM radios and wireless pagers and walkie-talkie type things. SMS has another feature where it sends a message and can scale up the transmit power to some ungodly multiple of the normal power used to send digital cellphone signals.

Ever get a text message while sitting near a radio? Sometime you will hear a static sound that increases in intensity in a stair-step fashion before finally stopping completely. That is the SMS system interfering with the radio signal and the stair-step is the power being increased by the device.

All this is simply annoying when it is a radio but if that SMS just interfered with Dr. X getting his page to go to OR Y then the results could be disastrous. The same holds true for tower to plane transmissions and pretty much anything else in the FM band.

Those SMS messages are noisy and powerful. That is the real reason why cellphone have to be off while you are in a hospital or preparing for take-off or landing.

*This isn't true of the old analog cell phones - those things DID interfere with everything.

Jon

I believed 2 of them. that reading in dim light ruins eyesight and eating turkey makes you drowsy.

I knew about the tryptophan in turkey and never really questioned it as I dont really eat that much turkey. Makes sense how it started as turkey is generally a holiday food and associated with excess eating. (which makes you tired)

dim light strains your eye muscles and continued eye strain can affect sight (over time). thats what I always thought.


(fyi - I practice Chinese Medicine not Western Medicine)