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This World Of False Justice And Lies Does Not Belong Anywhere

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posted on Dec, 21 2007 @ 02:08 AM
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War is a way for mankind to commit genocide. “What if war is a way to defend freedom”, you say? Defense means a boundary is being protected. Freedom does not have a boundary. You only need to “defend freedom” when your “freedom” is false.

The united states of america were founded when the white man made contracts with the natives and then the contracts were breached by the white man. Now the government wants americans to honor their contracts, as if contracts are now something to be honored, while the foundation is based upon broken contracts.

“Love it or leave it!”, you say? Does saying “love it or leave it” invalidate the preceding paragraph? No, it does not! Saying “love it or leave it” only serves to protect tyrants and the dishonorable.

The white man has no honor. The white man pretends to have honor in the name of "progress" or the "common good" or "god" so the white man may commit his dishonorable acts with a clear conscience.

“Progress” is anything which expands or refines the ability of tyrants to keep people as economic slaves. (Tyrants are: bankers, judges, authorities, the “immune”, pseudo entities,....) "Progress" creates a hierarchy of injustice.

The “common good” does not protect the individual. The “common good” protects the ability of tyrants to keep people as economic slaves.

“God” means whatever tyrants and the dishonorable want “god” to mean in order to achieve their illegitimate goals. Even if the meaning is contradictory.

There can be no god amongst the just/equal because the term “god” is intrinsically hierarchal. Hierarchy and justice are mutually exclusive. (Anyone opposing this is either brainwashed with the “unequal justice” oxymoron or a liar.) Justice has no place for god. Only injustice has a place for god. Do you foolishly believe god wants justice? The claim of god being a “just god” is an oxymoron. A "just god” would have to stop being “god” and become an equal. God worshipers respond to this by saying: “God was referring to another kind of justice.” What other kind of justice is there?

False justice allows a rich and poor hierarchy. True justice prevents a rich and poor hierarchy. The existence of rich and poor proves the “justice” of this world is false. (The courts are partial toward the social mechanism of money and therefore the courts are a fraud with a conflict of interest.) The courts and authorities claim to be legitimate and it is a colossal lie.

Urbanization and suburbanization cannot exist where there is true justice because there cannot be a hierarchy of proletariat and officials. Many will not accept a life of rural subsistence and this is why the blight of “progress” exists. This indicates a fundamental flaw in human existence which is probably due to extra-mundane manipulation/experimentation.

No one belongs in this world of broken contracts, false justice and lies.

This world of broken contracts, false justice and lies does not belong anywhere.

(I am a white man, by the way. Some of you will oppose these words with opinions, unqualified statements or claims of it being “unrealistic/impractical”, but coherent logic is also welcome.)




posted on Jan, 8 2008 @ 12:18 PM
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Some members have been complaining of poor quality threads. Is this a poor quality thread? Is this thread too confrontational? Both? Or, is it due to a lousy title?



posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 12:49 AM
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Originally posted by MITCHEL
Some members have been complaining of poor quality threads. Is this a poor quality thread? Is this thread too confrontational? Both? Or, is it due to a lousy title?


i find you thread to be far from poor quality, to be honest i'm not sure why people havnt posted. But i'm guessing your topic states the obvious and delves deeper into the psyche of global politics, relations, and methods of control. simply put you've had no replies because your thread is somewhat valid but may remain in a shade of grey for some people, making them unable to reply. Most likely its because your thread is sound and poses no real confrontation to anyone on this site.

i'll make an attempt to jumpstart your thread (probably fail). Well the world is the way it is because some people have a natural lust for control just like some women like to unconsciously cause drama. some things we'll never understand, because those behaviors were never meant to be understood in the first place.

edit: btw i agree with the point you are trying to make, and i bet most people on this site do as well.

[edit on 11/1/08 by Obsurion]



posted on Jan, 11 2008 @ 02:06 AM
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This is a sound, thought provoking thread. Many like it, that truly bring a challenge, are ignored. So don't feel bad. Sensationalism sometimes supercedes substance.

I do disagree with this statement:



A "just god” would have to stop being “god” and become an equal.


A just God would seek to elevate us to His level. As a born again Christian, I have the opportunity to become co-heir to the kingdom of heaven with Christ, my Lord and Savior. Nothing could be more equitable than that. It is, in fact, beyond equitable. It is the essence of grace and mercy.

See my sig for the rest of my comment. Thanks for posting. Keep up the good work.



posted on Jan, 12 2008 @ 01:23 AM
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Thank you to Obsurion and Icarus Rising for you replies.

Regarding a "just god", it goes both ways. In other words God would either have to come down to our level or God would have to reach down and lift everyone to God's level. Either way God would no longer be regarded as a god because there would no longer be a hierarchy between god and everyone else.

The story of God and Lucifer (as I understand it) goes something like this: Lucifer asked God to lift him up to God's level and make Lucifer an equal. God said "no". Lucifer then regarded God as a false god because only a false god/creator would be weak enough to be in fear of an equal. This meant the true creator must be elsewhere and Lucifer asked God to allow Lucifer a meeting with the true creator. God refused to allow Lucifer access to the true creator so Lucifer rebelled, refused to serve the false God/creator and went into hiding.

The False God/creator of this universe uses this universe as an illusion to deceive and entrap beings and keep them cut off from the true creator. The false God is weak and uses a scapegoat to take the blame for all ills.

When Adam and Eve were told the truth they hid because they found out God was a false creator, not because they were afraid of being punished for being disobedient. (You cannot have "freedom of choice" if there are stipulations of obedience. Freedom and obedience are mutually exclusive. This proves the God of the Bible is an imposter: it is impossible to endow mankind with freedom while also requiring mankind to be obedient.) Adam and Eve were unable to hide because the false God created them naked, meaning they were denied the ability cloak themselves in a hiding place away from the prying eyes of God.

(I do not worship God, nor Lucifer, nor science. I think worship does nothing but create trouble because it turns people into sadists and masochists. Sadists and masochists are exactly what good and evil need in order to produce the forbidden fruit. If you worship then you are automatically a dupe.)



posted on Jan, 12 2008 @ 01:32 AM
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Lucifer sought to exalt himself above the throne of heaven, and was cast out as a result.

Freedom to be obedient is not an oxymoron. Freedom from the consequences of our actions is.



posted on Jan, 12 2008 @ 02:38 AM
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When Lucifer wants to meet with the true creator then this means Lucifer wants to go above the throne of heaven. The throne of heaven is where the false god resides. The false god in the throne of heaven refuses to allow Lucifer to go above and to seek out the true creator because this would mean the false god is exalting Lucifer.

If you are free then there is nothing to make you seek obedience. Only from bondage does there come a desire to be obedient. If there are consequences of our actions then it means there are circumstances which hold us in bondage in the first place. Yours is the perspective of a masochist. You have been well brainwashed: you imagine you are free while you seek the bondage of obedience.



posted on Jan, 12 2008 @ 10:26 AM
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My obedience is a result of freedom from bondage to sin and death under the letter of the law, bondage to sin and death which you attempt to use in judgment of me. I live in freedom through Christ and the spirit of the law. Bondage does not bring obedience, it brings rebellion.



Romans 8

1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


Lucifer was the false god.



Titus 1

15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.


Furthermore, there is no other god above God the Father, Creator of the Universe.



Isaiah 40

12 Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?

13 Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him?

14 With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding?

Romans 11

33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?

36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.



[edit on 12-1-2008 by Icarus Rising]



posted on Jan, 12 2008 @ 11:23 PM
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I am not going to convince you of anything and you are not going to convince me to fall for your false god's Hegelian dialectic trap. (Create a problem and then offer a “solution” for a price.) Sin is the problem, a promise of salvation is the “solution”, obedience and servitude are the price.

A being which needs obedient servants is a being of weakness and ineptitude, not superiority. (The preceding sentence applies to a government or a “rich” person just as much as it applies to a god.)

A false savior will save you if you pay a price for it. A true savior does not save you, a true savior provides you with the ability to save yourself and does not charge any price for it.

You may quote scriptures forever but the words remain hollow because the “salvation” is always a hollow promise. Jesus failed! There would be no need for a second coming if Jesus had succeeded the first time. Will there be a need for a third coming? And a fourth and a fifth? Stupid false salvation madness.



posted on Jan, 12 2008 @ 11:50 PM
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Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior, paid the price for my salvation, and gave it to me as a gift, the essence of grace and mercy. It can't be earned, and no one can save themselves. I can only accept the salvation that He offered to me.



John 14

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.


Oh, He is returning alright. As Judge. I have a feeling that isn't going to be a good day for you.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything, and I don't need convincing anymore. That's the difference between us.

You are entitled to your beliefs. May they serve you well.

[edit on 12-1-2008 by Icarus Rising]



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 12:07 PM
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I do not have any desire to go to heaven and hang out with you obedient servant snobs.

Salvation means freedom from any and all troubles. You say you are free to be obedient in order the acquire salvation. If you are already free then what do you need to seek salvation for? You admit to seeking salvation which proves you are not free. Your "freedom" is false.

Put simply: you say you are free to seek the salvation which will make you free. You are blind to your own schizophrenic nonsense.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 12:16 PM
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I am not judging you, you are judging yourself.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 12:03 PM
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I'm not surprised you have the whole thing backwards.



You say you are free to be obedient in order the acquire salvation.


No, I said nearly the opposite. My salvation frees me to choose obedience. I don't expect you to understand. My freedom is, imo, the only true freedom man can have.

Your continued unwarranted and unmerited slanders and insults are indicative of your discomfiture at the truth I am sharing with you.

One more Bible quote for you, and I think we are done.



Matthew 10

14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.


May the consequences of your thoughts, words, and actions lead you to repentance and faith in Christ.

Peace. Out.



posted on Jan, 16 2008 @ 01:28 PM
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Your kind started the offense by sending me to Sunday school before I was five years old to brainwash me to believe I am a guilty sinner when I did nothing wrong. Then you try to absolve yourselves of any wrong-doing by claiming I am in grace. If I am in grace then what is the sin brainwashing for? It is to prepare me to be a submissive economic slave. I am trying to defend myself from your evil mind control, social control madness and when I try to defend myself you say I am offending you, as if you are perfect darlings. You are the perfect evil because you commit your evil while believing you are righteous. There is nothing you evil god worshippers can say or do to redeem yourselves in my mind.



posted on Jan, 21 2008 @ 11:01 AM
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My kind. Stereotypes are inherently false. I don't need to be redeemed in your mind.

I am, however, convicted of the hardness of my heart toward you by my Pastor's message yesterday. I apologize for it. Please forgive me. Allow me to add a couple more Bible quotes here.



Matthew 22

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


You are my neighbor, believe it or not.



Luke 23

34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.


I can relate to your preach guilt, sell redemption perception of religion. I strayed from my faith at 10 when I came home from catechism to find my dad in bed having sex with my fifth grade teacher. He was sending me to catechism so he could get it on with her. Not the greatest endorsement of faith. I assure you it is a fallen world that is doing these things, not God. The evil one likes nothing better than to turn a person, especially a young child, away from the only thing that can save them from eternal damnation. We have the choice to go along with it, or to overcome it.



Revelation 21

7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.


Love conquers all.



Romans 13

10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.


May peace be with you.



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